old bob at herne bay

Oh yawn Zagar and iversen again. Top 16 in the GPs Don’t make me laugh - there are better Polish riders not in the 2020 GP ...... only GB rep might be Woffinden if he gets a wildcard. So only the wildcards will make any difference to the line up in 2020. ( other than Max Fricke. About time they raced these meetings on proper, regularly used Speedway Tracks . Still next weeks GP is on a long track circuit in Germany never used for regular speedway.

The Doctor.... thank you ... so it’s Bellerby and Jordan . So all the “hangers on” getting involved as usual in these incidents instead of minding their business. Sorry to disappoint , but I did see a video posted on here showing Mr M Dugard deliberately knocking Claus Vissing backwards on the Centre green at the first/second bend area. It was a physical assault. The promoters clearly need to ensure better discipline from their staff.

The Doctor .....should you be called Vale ? Tbh I have no idea who the promotion is at Eastbourne in 2019. YOU say it isn’t Martin Dugard. Others have told me that Mr J Cook isn’t a promoter anymore... but a director of something or other. Ian Jordan is another name that maybe a promoter. Paul Dugard seems to be involved.. maybe just a grease monkey in the pits? You missed the Martin Dugard “lunge “ at Claus Vissing on the Centre green filmed by a Glasgow supporter? Vissing banned for 10 days for that ......oh yes he deliberately broke the tapes ... oh yes he rode off and spoiled the parade ! So Doctor pray tell me who YOU think are the promoter(s) ?

woofers said: "As I’ve said before, both Dugard and Cook were probably unwise and unprofessional in making their remarks and were making points directly aimed at Craig Cook. A better response would have been just to acknowledge the concerns and then let the riders prove the point on the track - which they did. " I think we fully agree on this. Sadly typical of the childish 2019 Arlington promotion style. Dont recall seing Ronnie Greene , Fred Mockford , Charles Ochiltree , Charlie Knott involvedi na brawl on the centre green with any riders..... seems the Eastbourne promoters are all too keen to resort to physical assault on riders.......

H Gould, no hatred of the “ Dugard Family “ per se. They are part of the speedway promotion along with others, and they do show a lack of professionalism at Arlington. Whoever saw ANY speedway promoter getting involved “hands (or heads) on “with riders in sight of the paying public? Disgraceful behaviour. Once again they have got off scot free seemingly placing the blame 100% on Craig Cook.

"Crescent Girl" (not sure I like your flag - not a speedway club I recognise ) but I stand corrected it is the SCB in my " dream world" as you so rudely commented.

From the lack of previous bans for worse misdemeanours than that of Craig Cook, seems that the BSPA reaction has been wholly disproportionate, whipped up it seems because the CAPTAIN of the Glasgow Tigers team dared to criticise the Arlington track preparation directly to the referee. This is turn led to a well documented hate campaign towards the Glasgow Team Captain over the P.A. during the meeting "presentations" leading to the rider departing the presentations early ... the rest is captured on video and has been variously interpreted.

Well there you are ... I wished you good luck and you got it. Should avoid the wooden spoon now ;-) ;-) Hope Alf Bowtell isn't badly injured. He's been in a few "racing incidents" recently and come off worse in this one this evening

M.D. Judge the complete package in a year or so.. who said that Mr J Cook ???? I have heard it all before from Mr J. Cook (think you have too ?) Good luck tonight. You will need it.

......... two home defeats at the hostile Arlington bowl long forgotten this season eh M.D. ? All about the cup competitions for Eastbourne now , no interest in the p.offs

Have the Cook Vissing and Kennett bans finished now ?? Cook has appealed Kennett gone on holiday Vissing ?? Meanwhile the Eastbourne “promotion” are planning how to wind up and intimidate their next visitors to their little track at Arlington. One thing I have to say their promoters are certainly hands on down in Sussex

Paul Dugard had a black shirt and trousers. Sky was grey looked like a storm brewing......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73I1Gek3yIw

Just read the Eastbourne "Club Statement" which it seems just intends to rake over the ashes and fan the flames. As previously commented, 2 paragraphs would have been enough to close the matter down. They haven't . What follows is a highly blinkered one sided view of everything that occurred. Lots is made of the Glasgow team waiting until the official referee arived before complaining about track conditions. That is the CORRECT PROCEDURE. Then plenty of "refuting" of pretty much everything. The lady doth protest too much. They can "refute" all they like but the bottom line is that their selected highlights of the events contradicts much of what I saw on the 2 minute video (now conveniently removed). i.e. Craig Cook chose to ignore all Red Flags and Lights, did not reduce his speed before riding in to and around the 1st / 2nd turn towards his teammates, the Eastbourne Team and Mascots and Track Officials at his point of departure. What I saw on the video was Craig Cook slowing up on entry to the first bend and then turning right towards the open pit gates on the 2nd bend where he collided with a marshall standing in the middle of the track with his right arm directing Craig towards he inside of the track towards the exit of the 2nd bend.... and presumably towards where the parade and all the assembled folks were standing ? I will agree that the ban of Eddie (Ed or Edward ?) Kennett was disproportinate. He should have been banned for 24 days for his premeditated sprint towards the second bend from the parade with only one intention ..... to fight with Craig Cook. What is NOT mentioned by the Eastbourne club is the failure of the other Eastbourne rider sprinting from the parade with Ed Kennett in the fist throwing to receive any ban, nor any ban of Paul Dugard for the initial verbal abuse of Craig Cook.

.......and maybe just maybe HGould, Craig Cook made a valid point, albeit one that touched a nerve with the "Dugard and Cook " promotion ? Like him or loath him Craig Cook is a reasonably competent Englishinternational speedway rider, and might know a little about what makes a track safe to ride by ALL riders.

Interesting ruling led by Mr J Cook’s old friend Mr N Vatcher. Surprised that the only Eastbourne rider punished is Mr E Kennett, when I distinctly saw 2 Eastbourne riders piling into the scrum. Mr C Vissing appears to have received a ban for deliberately breaking the tapes. Surprised that the Eastbourne employee allegedly Mr P Dugard not censured for his aggression towards Mr C Cook. Given the haphazard frequency of the fixtures in British speedway shouldn’t bans be for a number of meeting rather than a number of days? I do hope that the many Eastbourne “co promoters” and their announcer take heed of the results of their overtly provocative personal remarks made during the “ pre meeting parade” . No mention of suggested improvements to the Eastbourne track conditions which started this whole sorry affair.

After the bans, fines, hangings, beheadings and other summary punishments have been meted out , if thier is anyone left, a BSPA track inspection will required for Arlington after reading the Speedway Star, to ensure it complies with Health and Safety requirements on the track inside kerb. Hopefully they will send an independent inspector not Neil Vatcher (Jon Cooks old pal at Lakeside?) Should have time to fit this in before the next scheduled home brawl , sorry meeting , wiht Redcar Bears.

Ilisa-colette ........is that with a full face crash helmet and neck brace on ?

Apologies Grachan, my mistake. My opinions stand. Jon Cook - who ???.... did he used to be an employee of the promotoer Stuart Douglas at Lakeside Speedway before joining Eastbourne as a "co promoter" Anyway suggest you all reasd this weeks Speedway Star for the truth of the matter from Craig Cook.

Grachan said " 1. Presenter and Jon Cook try and get the crowd going on the mic (nothing wrong in that) " (my underline and bold) Completely disagree with you on that point Grachan. Given the situation prior to the presentation with complaints about the track, however they were intentioned, the comments were unprofessional and inflammatory, targeted at one rider in particular, and given events that followed were the prime cause of this whole sorry affair. Not the behaviour one would expect from a "co promoter" of a business. MAybe he was unhappy that the crowd preferred to watch the SpeedwayGP on TV ... which at Wroclaw was 100 times more exciting than any racing you will see at Arlington.

So my summary ... Craig was annoyed at the state ofthe track when he arrived at the stadium. After some work was done on the track, he got changed and reluctantly appeared on the parade. The "co promoter" then less that courteously anounced the Glasgow team, insultingly referring to the Glasgow number 1 rider. This caused Craig Cook and 2 others to piss off from the parade and head back to the pits ..... not in a very good mood I would imagine. Joker of a marshall gets in the way of a running motorcycle and sadly nearly kils himself in the process . Gets a right rollocking from Craig who is understandably very pissed off by the entire Arlington set up. Ugly scenes follow with nocredit to Craig, Exhaust pipe Eddie Kennett and another Eastbourne rider who seem intnent on having a punch up. Craig then quite rightly in my opinion does not take his place in heat 1 (riding against yes Exhaust pipe Eddie) in a race which woudl have probably tested the Arlington first bend airfence. This Eastbourne promotion do seem a bunch of "win at all costs" bullies intent on winding up the opposition AT Arlington. Interestingly they have pulled out of a visit to Kent in a NL challenge alledgedy as Ian Jordan (yet another co promoter ?) isn't happy with some of the social media comments about the Eastbourne team !

The Scotsman - interesting opinion....... I think if I stood in front of a motorcycle waving my arm the rider might be a little annoyed and suggest that I was being dangerous. Cook over reacted I can see .....but then the whole thing got out of control with Paul Dugard mouthing off in Cooks face to calm things down ?. and getting what he asked for. Then we have 2 Eastbourne riders legging it down the track to help the entertainment .... To be honest if I was the Glasgow team and so aggrieved about the track I would have lodged an official protest and not appeared on the parade at all....but just ridden the meeting and left.

Chunky posted “Okay, the marshal may have been better not stepping in front of him” LMAO

Well now I have seen the video - storm in a teacup. No idea what the flag marshall was playing at - does he no know that speedway bikes have no brakes ? Cook looked caught in two minds how to avoid the marshall but the marshall seemed intent on committing suicide. Needs further training. Then some silly so and so in black shirt and trousers with a beard comes running up to Craig Cook, a rider in helmet and full racegear and throws a punch. Lucky he didnt break his hand - crash helmets are very hard. I then see two Eastbourne riders numbers 1 and 7 I think come dashing down the track to join in - what was that all about ???? Wasn't as good I was expecting to be honest - better action when Wolves were visitors years ago.

Used to regularly visit Arlington when I was rich, young and foolish. Nothing has changed by the sound of things. The late Bob Dugard would prepare the track to perfection for the home team. He used to regularly "wind up" the opposition by nearly running them over with his tractor whilst they were still being attended to by the St Johns medical staff, and would blatantly stop any away riders taking a lap after winning a race by pulling out on the tractor in front of them. Seems that the family tradition of antagonising the opposition has been continued by son Martin and his go-fer Jon Cook (co- promoter ?) . If there is any action taken , I would suggest that :- 1) Jon Cook is reprimanded for allegedly goading the crowd with his petty remarks, clearly inflaming a delicate situation. 2) Craig Cook is reprimanded for allegedly ignoring clear flag signals from an marshall No professional racing motorcyclist can ignore ANY flag signal from a marshall. NO EXCUSES. Whatever action is taken , Eastbourne's promotion should be warned by the BSPA that they are treading on a very fine line with their overt partisan behaviour to whip up support and hostile reaction from their home crowd. Some of the earlier pre season statements in the press by the Jon Cook were IMO inflammatory towards any opposition team at Arlington. Speedway has always been a family sport free of the ugly scenes we so often see at football matches. Long may it continue.