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Well done Rosco ...I am sure you will be able to do better than Middlo and beat the mighty usa and Latvia .

A more important question who would win in a fight between them ?

I wish these people would stop talking about 2013 on this topic .

Whoosh

As I said guess work with no facts to back it up .

In other words you made it up ...it's common sense that it is impossible to know unless your naïve enough to think that riders etc post under there own names .

Not really just asked where you got your figures from ..I would say it's naïve to think that all riders etc are going to post under there real name .

Where do you get your figures from ? unless people post in there name what they don't it is impossible to judge how many riders ,Promoters post or read what is on here .

Whoosh

The forum was so much better in the old days ..all the people were so great and nice to each other . If only Eurosport were about at the time

And again so easy to make you lose your temper I can see the smoke

Hook the duck ..a prize every time

Yea course he did ..reading the interview he like to praise himself a lot but of course when Belle Vue were Bottom not only did he walk away he blamed others rather than himself .

And when he was at Belle what did he do ? got in a load of crap European riders . Classic .

Good gater ? i have to say he is one of the worst i have ever seen .

I Think every fan accepts there are problems in the sport what most understand thou is going back to the rules 25 years ago won't work now .

One of your better posts on the subject

Yet again just because a rule is daft now does not mean that the rules back then were not ...as I said before thou the new tac rule is ridiculous the old rule was just as stupid as you could bring a World Champion for your worst rider you also score more points overall and you also only had to be six behind so it changed the results far more than the new rule .. this is why people question Collins and the likes of you and say you are stuck in past because you can't accept that rules in the past were just as bad By the way away goals counting double has nothing to with picking a rider to score double points ...as I said before show me the sport when a manager picks a player to do so .

Sorry the rule we are talking is about double points ..I watched Football and sports all my life I can't remember a player coming on scoreing a try or a goal that counts double of what is normally scores so unless you can show me when that has happened the point you were trying to make is void .

And people are expressing there opinions on what he said ... but for some reason you have a problem with it .

Wrong as in one Off World final many a time a bad draw would leave you with two bad gates giving you little chance of winning ...most of the time it was a Lottery ..this is what I mean about old fans can't find nothing wrong with the old days. this is a classic example .

Sorry maybe I miss it but what other sport can you changed your side for the better when your a certain amount of points or goals behind ? in football ,rugby etc you can changed your side at any time so your point is void ..Were the 16 there on merit in every one of the one off world finals ? The gp system might be unfair but that does not make the old system correct . As I pointed out it was stupid as it allowed no hopers who had no right to be there get in it for every Muller you had 5 hopeless ones who should not be there ...So as said some stupid rules now but there were just as many stupid rules in the Collins days .

Of course it's stupid to replaced a rider with a better one when you fall behind ..I think nearly every speedway fans thinks the same and of the course how you got to one off world final was stupid as there was no way that the 16 riders ever had a fair chance and all World Finals ended with 4 or 5 no hopers and some times even more ..so as I said there were just as many stupid rules back then, of course the old school can't see or won't accept that .

Spot on ...if they good ideas then they would have got rid of them in the first place or they would have brought them back . There was plenty of stupid rules back in the old days like the tac sub rule and how you got to a World Final etc .