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Janowski MORE - £500 Holder LESS - £500 Fricke MORE - £300 Kurtz MORE - £500

MJJ, Kurtz, Thomsen + Woryna all quicker in Q1 than Lebedevs was in Q2 but miss out, while Lebedevs gets to the sprint race. The rules are the rules, and I don't know what other system they could implement, just a strange quirk of the system I suppose.

You've just got to squeeze these fixtures in where you can these days, I suppose.

It's clearly been declining for a while but it's still mad that the likes of Simon Lambert and Kyle Newman are within the top 24 British riders (no offence to either). Also disappointing that Lambert has seemingly not bothered, I thought he'd at least attempt to retain his title. Let's be honest, he'd probably win riding backwards if Bewley doesn't turn up. I assume the wild cards are there to try and tempt Lambert/Woffinden over late in the day? Still, on the plus side it'll probably be a very tight meeting.

Have you not just proved their point to some extent? If clubs are spending beyond their means to sign better riders, and presumably winning sides, but still not making a profit, then maybe not as many people are "entertained" by success as you think. Ultimately, 2 or maybe 3 teams will get any success in a given season, from 15(?) clubs. If success is what keeps people coming back then the majority will struggle. I'm not actually even sure great racing (or lack of it) is the real issue. I'm sure most people would rather have it than not, but for me it's the lack of competitiveness or meaning to most matches. When you look at Ekstraliga 2 in Poland, they're all aiming and building for promotion, to get more fans/tickets sold/TV money, etc. It means something. It's like the Championship in football. Where is anything like that in British speedway? It doesn't really matter if you finish top or bottom of the Championship, nobody will remember in 3 months anyway, you can just start again next season.

Who needs fans eh?!

Agreed. I wonder if they could squeeze Brady Kurtz in instead? Maybe Zmarzlik would do a fortnight?

I think this is Kurtz's year. Another home track next too. Zmarzlik always finds a way usually, but even when he did in that final, Kurtz had an answer. What a title race it's going to be.

Fricke - £200 LESS Thomsen - £200 LESS Doyle - £200 MORE Lambert - £200 MORE Cheers.

Good trick to have it would appear.

Right decision but why the cheers? Odd behaviour.

They need to sort the outside line out again. Imagine MJJ winning a GP here by crawling around the kerb?

Shame it had to end that way. Woryna is great to watch but that was beyond his capabilities.

Zmarzlik is like when you get too good at a game so just start messing around for the challenge.

Anyone know the full draw? Speedway GP still haven't updated the results of the Sprint Race, never mind anything else...

Kurtz - £500 MORE Fricke - £300 MORE Holder - £100 MORE Brennan - £100 MORE MJJ - £100 LESS Lambert - £150 LESS

Luke Becker Kim Nilsson Rohan Tungate Keynan Rew Dominik Kubera Robert Lambert Jaimon Lidsey Andzejs Lebedevs Kacper Woryna Michael Jepsen Jensen ?Jack Holder ?Maciej Janowski ?Kai Huckenbeck ?Piotr Pawlicki ?Frederik Jakobsen Let's see how tonight goes. I don't think there's going to be (m)any surprise GP riders next season at this rate. Probably 4 from Holder, Lambert, Woryna, MJJ, Lebedevs and Kubera.

I think he's a classic case of just doing enough. Look at last night, none of the other finalists managed double figures in Landshut, but he just keeps getting to the final. I'd love to see him be truly tested but I don't think he will be this season.

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I agree, this was the most unfair part of it all. I know we've always had this rule that a crash/EF is considered worse than a straight zero, but Fricke scored more than him in the heats. It wasn't even like they were tied.

I wish they'd replicate MotoGP/F1 to an extent and group some of the further afield ones together. Start the season with Australia & NZ and then back to Europe. Probably easier said than done admittedly.

You don't get a chance to score an extra point, you get the extra point if you've scored higher than the same finisher in the other LCQ scored in the heats. LCQ1 - 3rd, 6th, 8th, 9th LCQ2 - 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th. I see the argument that if you've finished 3rd on points, and are in LCQ 1, then you'll get more points for finishing 2nd than whoever finishes 2nd in LCQ 2 does. That's just the advantage of scoring the 3rd highest points score though. If the 5th placed rider from LCQ2 finished in the same position as the 6th placed rider did in LCQ 1, they'd get more points because of their score in the heats.

I'm not sure he could, the aim is just to score as many points as possible in the heats to give yourself the best chance. It's not as if there is any advantage to choosing to finish 2nd (as opposed to winning) in the LCQ either, if he had scored the most points, as he'd miss out on the final. Mind, don't take any of this as gospel, my days of keeping track of speedway rules are mostly in the past!

Yeah, but that's cos Holder scored 11 in the heats while Woryna scored 9. I think it's fair that Holder gets more in what's essentially a tie? Woryna couldn't have engineered anything.

I must be missing something. The riders from each LCQ get the same as their counterpart in the other, just ranked by their heat score.