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I agree. British speedway is suffering a slow lingering death and only radical and painful surgery can save it. Look at Poland a few years ago, where the clubs were forced to look inwards for riders because of restrictions of foreign riders. All of a sudden new faces emerged, giving Poland the critical mass of riders required. Maybe the UK leagues need to go weaker to emerge stronger and healthier. It surely can't go on as it is.

My guess is the GPs will implode under IMG. They'll come up against powerful vested interests. My guess is that they'll consider some sort of central contract situation where the top riders are contracted to them, rather than individual clubs and try to dictate where and when they'll ride. This will bring conflict with the powerful leagues such as Poland and Sweden.

And a good few people would say that Wroclaw are even stronger than Czestochowa.

HSBC is just misguided, while Barclays is truly evil.

My answer would be: "Go and rot in hell, I'd rather eat my own testicles than accept charity from the likes of you."

Crikey, a Wolves supporter eligible for the New Jerusalem. Whatever next? We'll have Poole supporters getting in next. But not rabbit - not unless she renounces Barclays Bank and all its evil doings.

You're an intelligent young thing and not terminally deluded. You're welcome in the New Jerusalem.

Can't let down my legion of fans, especially little Schumi.

It's thoroughly shameful that this serial failure and serial beggar is in the GPs again. Has he no pride? Has he no shame? Has he no honour? Has he no integrity? Has he no decency?

Something along these lines, perhaps: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=13835

And such items are readily available in Poland?

It seems that possibility may exist.

Badly. Maybe riding for BSI's sapping his enthusiasm for the sport.

So, a couple of clubs, Leszno and Rzeszow, made use of the new double points Tactical Ride. And on both occasions they produced good heat advantages. Nicki P starts the season with a 21 point maximum, while the only other maximum man was Torun's Karol Zabik, with 13+2, including inflicting the only defeat of the afternoon on Adams. But would the biggest surprise be Peter Ljung's splendid 12+2 for Tarnow?

Torun versus Leszno Torun..49 9..W Jagus..2,2,1,1,3 = 9 10..A Miedzinski..1’,1’,0,2’,0 = 4+3 11..R Kosciecha..2,1’,2,2’,1 = 8+2 12..M Zagar..1’,2,1’,T = 4+2 13..R Sullivan..1,3,3,3,0 = 10 14..A Marcinkowski..1 = 1 15..K Zabik..3,3,2’,2’,3 = 13+2 Leszno.. 1..J Hampel..3,3,0,1,3 = 10 2..R Miskowiak..0,0,0 = 0 3..K Kasprzak..3,0,1,2’,1,2 = 9+1 4..D Balinski..0,1,2’,1’ = 4+2 5..L Adams..3,3,6^,3,3,2’ = 19+1 6..R Kasprzak..2,0,0,0 = 2 7..J Pavlic..0,0 = 0 Ht 1..Zabik, R Kasprzak, Marcinkowski, Pavlic 4-2 (4-2) Ht 2..Hampel, Jagus, Miedzinski, Miskowiak 3-3 (7-5) Ht 3..K Kasprzak, Kosciecha, Zagar, Balinski 3-3 (10-8) Ht 4..Zabik, Adams, Sullivan, R Kasprzak 4-2 (14-10) Ht 5..Hampel, Zagar, Kosciecha, Miskowiak 3-3 (17-13) Ht 6..Sullivan, Zabik, Balinski, K Kasprzak 5-1 (22-14) Ht 7..Adams, Jagus, Miedzinski, R Kasprzak 3-3 (25-17) Ht 8..Sullivan, Zabik, K Kasprzak, Hampel 5-1 (30-18) Ht 9..Adams, K Kasprzak, Jagus, Miedzinski [E/F] 1-8 (31-26) Ht 10..Adams, Kosciecha, Zagar, R Kasprzak 3-3 (34-29) Ht 11..Sullivan, Miedzinski, K Kasprzak, Miskowiak 5-1 (39-30) Ht 12..Zabik, Kosciecha, Hampel, Pavlic 5-1 (44-31) Ht 13..Adams, Balinski, Jagus, Zagar [Ex/T] 1-5 (45-36) Ht 14..Jagus, K Kasprzak, Balinski, Miedzinski 3-3 (48-39) Ht 15..Hampel, Adams, Kosciecha, Sullivan 1-5 (49-44) Notes: 1..Ht 4 and Zabik replaces Marcinkowski for Torun. 2..Ht 6 and Zabik replaces Marcinkowski for Torun. 3..Ht 8 and Zabik replaces Marcinkowski for Torun. 4..Ht 8 and K Kasprzak replaces Miskowiak for Leszno. 5..Ht 9 and Adams replaces Balinski in a tactical move by Leszno – Adams’ points will count double. 6..Ht 12 and Zabik replaces Marcinkowski for Torun. 7..Ht 12 and Pavlic replaces R Kasprzak for Leszno. 8..Ht 13 and Torun’s Zagar gets himself into mischief at the tapes and is excluded. 9..Ht 14 and it’s Jagus-Miedzinski for Torun and K Kasprzak-Balinski for Leszno. 10..Ht 15 and it’s Kosciecha-Sullivan for Torun and Hampel-Adams for Leszno. All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Tarnow versus Wroclaw Tarnow..46 9..T Gollob..3,2,3,3,2 = 13 10..M Rempala..0,0,0,0 = 0 11..J Kolodziej..2’,0,1,2,0 = 5+1 12..P Ljung..3,3,3,2’,1’ = 12+2 13..R Holta..3,3,3,2,1 = 12 14..K Zielinski..2,1,0 = 3 15..D Ivanov..1’,0,0 = 1+1 Wroclaw..44 1..T Gapinski..2,1’,2,3,0 = 8+1 2..K Bjerre..1’,2,1’,1 = 5+2 3..H Andersen..1,2,1’,3,3,3 = 13+1 4..T Jedrzejak..0,1’,2,0 = 3+1 5..J Crump..0,3,2,1,2’ = 8+1 6..P Korbel..0 = 0 7..C Holder..3,2,1,0,1 = 7 Ht 1..Holder, Zielinski, Ivanov, Korbel 3-3 (3-3) Ht 2..Gollob, Gapinski, Bjerre, Rempala 3-3 (6-6) Ht 3..Ljung, Kolodjiez, Andersen, Jedrzejak 5-1 (11-7) Ht 4..Holta, Holder, Zielinski, Crump [E/F] 4-2 (15-9) Ht 5..Ljung, Bjerre, Gapinski, Kolodziej 3-3 (18-12) Ht 6..Holta, Andersen, Jedrzejak, Ivanov 3-3 (21-15) Ht 7..Crump, Gollob, Holder, Rempala 2-4 (23-19) Ht 8..Holta, Gapinski, Bjerre, Ivanov 3-3 (26-22) Ht 9..Gollob, Jedrzejak, Andersen, Rempala [E/F] 3-3 (29-25) Ht 10..Ljung, Crump, Kolodziej, Holder 4-2 (33-27) Ht 11..Andersen, Holta, Bjerre, Rempala 2-4 (35-31) Ht 12..Gapinski, Kolodziej, Holder, Zielinski 2-4 (37-35) Ht 13..Gollob, Ljung, Crump, Jedrzejak 5-1 (42-36) Ht 14..Andersen, Crump, Holta, Kolodziej 1-5 (43-41) Ht 15..Andersen, Gollob, Ljung, Gapinski 3-3 (46-44) Notes: 1..Ht 3 and we’ve a re-run with all 4, after Tarnow’s Ljung and Wroclaw’s Jedrzejak take a tumble on the 1st turn. 2..Ht 4 and Holder replaces Korbel for Wroclaw. 3..Ht 6 and Ivanov replaces Zielinski for Tarnow. 4..Ht 7 and Holder replaces Korbel for Wroclaw. 5..Ht 8 and Ivanov replaces Zielinski for Tarnow. 6..Ht 10 and Holder replaces Korbel for Wroclaw. 7..Ht 12 and Holder replaces Korbel for Wroclaw. 8..Ht 14 and it’s Kolodziej-Holta for Tarnow and Bjerre-Crump for Wroclaw. 9..Ht 14 and Andersen replaces Bjerre in a tactical move by Wroclaw. 10..Ht 15 and it’s Gollob-Ljung for Tarnow and Gapinski-Andersen for Wroclaw. All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Czestochowa versus Rzeszow Czestochowa.. 9..S Ulamek..2,3,2,3,1’ = 11+1 10..L Richardson..1’,2’,0,2’,3 = 8+3 11..S Drabik..3,0,3,2 = 8 12..A Lindback..T,2,2’,2’ = 6+2 13..G Hancock..3,3,2,3,2 = 13 14..M Szczepaniak..3,1,0,1’ = 5+1 15..E Kennett..2’,1,2’,2’ = 7+3 Rzeszow.. 1..N Pedersen..3,3,3,6^,3,3 = 21 2..P Miesiac..0,1,1,1,0,1 = 4 3..M Kuciapa..2,1,1,1,1,0 = 6 4..M Szostek = DNR 5..R Dobrucki..2,0,1 = 3 6..A Messing..0,0,0,0,0 = 0 7..M Les..1,0,0,0 = 1 Ht 1..Szczepanial, Kennett, Les, Messing [Ex/2] 5-1 (5-1) Ht 2..Pedersen, Ulamek, Richardson, Miesiac 3-3 (8-4) Ht 3..Drabik, Kuciapa, Kennett [Lindback Ex/T], Les, 4-2 (12-6) Ht 4..Hancock, Dobrucki, Szczepaniak, Messing 4-2 (16-8) Ht 5..Pedersen, Lindback, Miesiac, Drabik 2-4 (18-12) Ht 6..Hancock, Kennett, Kuciapa, Dobrucki 5-1 (23-13) Ht 7..Ulamek, Richardson, Dobrucki, Messing 5-1 (28-14) Ht 8..Pedersen, Hancock, Miesiac, Szczepaniak 2-4 (30-18) Ht 9..Pedersen, Ulamek, Kuciapa, Richardson 2-7 (32-25) Ht 10..Drabik, Lindback, Miesiac, Messing 5-1 (37-26) Ht 11..Hancock, Richardson, Kuciapa, Miesiac 5-1 (42-27) Ht 12..Pedersen, Drabik, Szczepaniak, Messing 3-3 (45-30) Ht 13..Ulamek, Lindback, Kuciapa, Les 5-1 (50-31) Ht 14..Richardson, Kennett, Miesiac, Les 5-1 (55-32) Ht 15..Pedersen, Hancock, Ulamek, Kuciapa 3-3 (58-35) Notes: 1..Ht 1 and Rzeszow’s Messing fails to beat the 2 minutes and is excluded. 2..Ht 3 and Les replaces Szostek for Rzeszow. 3..Ht 3 and Czestochowa’s Lindback gets into mischief at the tapes, is excluded and replaced by Kennett. 4..Ht 6 and Kennett replaces Szczepaniak for Czestochowa. 5..Ht 6 and Dobrucki replaces Szostek in a tactical move by Rzeszow. 6..Ht 9 and Pedersen replaces Szostek in a tactical move by Rzeszow – Pedersen’s points will count double. 7..Ht 10 and Miesiac replaces Dobrucki in a tactical move by Rzeszow. 8..Ht 13 and Les replaces Szostek for Rzeszow. 9..Ht 13 and Kuciapa replaces Dobrucki in a tactical move by Rzeszow. 10..Ht 14 and it’s Richardson-Kennett for Czestochowa and Miesiac-Les for Rzeszow. 11..Ht 15 and it’s Ulamek-Hancock for Czestochowa and Pedersen-Kuciapa for Rzeszow. All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl ----- ----- ----- ----- -----

You mean like someone who puts Bjarne Pedersen out for a TR when he's got Jason Crump in his team?

It doesn't bode well if he decides to ride for people who spell his name correctly.

As Cilla Black might've said, "surprise surprise".

I'd imagine that, unless Ole Olsen is bringing in track staff from outside Poland, the track will be prepared just the way young Gollob and company want it prepared. Olsen's word might be law everywhere else, but there's a higher authority when it comes to Poland.

Excuse me?

No doubt Poole will already have him snapped up for the 2009 season.

Traitor. Perfidy, thy name is Saint Rob.

I wouldn't take the above too seriously if I were you folks. This guy dithers and flip-flops around. After all, this was his considered opinion not so very long ago: Please note that both Jesper B Jensen and Piotr Protasiewicz have miraculously appeared since joining Oxford.

Under the old formula, that was not possible - under the new one, it is. Theoretically, a rider could win each and every single GP, yet still not be world champion under the new formula. As the young fellow points out, in Sweden last year, Crump would've won the GP, but Hancock would've scored more points. If this were replicated over the whole series, Crump would've won each GP, yet Hancock would be world champ.

I believe under the new rules Jason Crump would still've won - he just wouldn't have scored the most points. The winner of the final is the GP winner, regardless of points scored.