Subedei

Excuse me? Doesn't the fact that they chose to enter the qualification process and saw it through to completion suggest they "WANT" to be there? Or am I missing something?

Wasn't at reserve today young fellow - he was at No 4, with Klecha at No 8. Edit: Well, might as well put them here and save creating another thread. Here's today's Ekstraliga results: Bydgoszcz versus Tarnow Bydgoszcz..53 9..P Protasiewicz..3,3,3,3,2,0 = 14 10..R Sawina..2',3,2',2',0 = 9+3 11..R Kosciecha..2',1,3,2,1 = 9+1 12..E Sajfutdinov..3,3,2,0,3 = 11 13..A Jonsson R/R 14..M Jedrzejewski..2,2,0,2' = 6+1 15..K Buczkowski..0,2',1 = 3+1 16..K Klecha..1',0 = 1+1 Tarnow..36 1..T Gollob..1,2,3,3,3,3,3 = 18 2..J Kolodziej R/R 3..J Gollob..0,0 = 0 4..S Burza..1,0 = 1 5..S Nicholls..0,0,1,2,1,1,2' = 7+1 6..K Zielinski..0 = 0 7..P Hlib..3,1,0,1,1',1,0 = 7+1 8..M Rempala..0,1,0,2 = 3 Ht 1..Hlib, Jedrzejewski, Buczkowski [E/F], Zielinski [Ex/T] 2-3 (2-3) Ht 2..Protasiewicz, Sawina, T Gollob, Rempala 5-1 (7-4) Ht 3..Sajfutdinov, Kosciecha, Burza, J Gollob [Ex] 5-1 (12-5) Ht 4..Sawina, Buczkowski, Hlib, Nicholls 5-1 (17-6) Ht 5..Sajfutdinov, T Gollob, Kosciecha, Hlib 4-2 (21-8) Ht 6..T Gollob, Jedrzejewski, Klecha, J Gollob 3-3 (24-11) Ht 7..Protasiewicz, Sawina, Hlib, Nicholls [Ex] 5-1 (29-12) Ht 8..T Gollob, Sajfutdinov, Nicholls, Jedrzejewski 2-4 (31-16) Ht 9..Protasiewicz, Sawina, Rempala, Burza 5-1 (36-17) Ht 10..Kosciecha, Nicholls, Hlib, Sajfutdinov 3-3 (39-20) Ht 11..Protasiewicz, Jedrzejewski, Nicholls, Rempala 5-1 (44-21) Ht 12..T Gollob, Kosciecha, Hlib, Klecha 2-4 (46-25) Ht 13..T Gollob, Protasiewicz, Nicholls, Sawina 2-4 (48-29) Ht 14..Sajfutdinov, Rempala, Buczkowski, Hlib 4-2 (52-31) Ht 15..T Gollob, Nicholls, Kosciecha, Protasiewicz 1-5 (53-36) Notes: 1..Ht 1 and Tarnow's Zielinski gets himself into mischief at the tapes and is excluded. 2..Ht 2 and Rempala takes the R/R for Tarnow. 3..Ht 3 and we've a re-run without Tarnow's J Gollob, who takes a tumble on the 1st turn and is excluded. 4..Ht 4 and Sawina takes the R/R for Bydgoszcz. 5..Ht 5 and Hlib takes the R/R for Tarnow. 6..Ht 6 and Klecha takes the R/R for Bydgoszcz. 7..Ht 6 and T Gollob replaces Burza in a tactical move by Tarnow. 8..Ht 7 and Hlib replaces Zielinski for Tarnow. 9..Ht 7 and we've a re-run without Tarnow's Nicholls, who is excluded after three riders hit the deck on the 1st turn. 10..Ht 8 and Sajfutdinov takes the R/R for Bydgoszcz. 11..Ht 8 and Nicholls takes the R/R for Tarnow. 12..Ht 9 and Rempala replaces J Gollob for Tarnow. 13..Ht 10 and Hlib replaces Zielinski for Tarnow. 14..Ht 11 and Rempala replaces Burza for Tarnow. 15..Ht 11 and Nicholls replaces J Gollob in a tactical move by Tarnow. 16..Ht 12 and Klecha replaces Sajfutdinov for Bydgoszcz. 17..Ht 12 and Hlib replaces Zielinski for Tarnow. 18..Ht 13 and Protasiewicz takes the R/R for Bydgoszcz. 19..Ht 13 and T Gollob takes the R/R for Tarnow. 20..Ht 14 and it's Sajfutdinov-Buczkowski for Bydgoszcz and Hlib-Rempala for Tarnow. 21..Ht 15 and it's Protasiewicz-Kosciecha for Bydgoszcz and T Gollob-Nicholls for Tarnow. ----------------------- Bonus points calculated per British Elite League. ----------------------- All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Czestochowa versus Wroclaw Czestochowa..43 9..G Hancock..3,1',2',3,0 = 9+2 10..S Drabik..0,2,3,1,3 = 9 11..S Ulamek..3,1',2,1,1 = 8+1 12..L Richardson..1,2,1',3,1 = 8+1 13..R Sullivan..2,1,2,0 = 5 14..C Hefenbrock..3,0,0,0 = 3 15..D Romanczuk..1,0 = 1 16..M Szczepaniak = DNR Wroclaw..47 1..J Hampel..1',3,3,2,2' = 11+2 2..K Bjerre..2,0,1,3,0 = 6 3..H Andersen..2,3,1,2,2 = 10 4..T Gapinski..0 = 0 5..J Crump..3,3,3,2',3 = 14+1 6..R Jamrozy..2,0 = 2 7..N Klindt..0,1,0,0 = 1 8..P Swiderski..2',0,1' = 3+2 Ht 1..Hefenbrock, Jamrozy, Romanczuk, Klindt 4-2 (4-2) Ht 2..Hancock, Bjerre, Hampel, Drabik 3-3 (7-5) Ht 3..Ulamek, Andersen, Richardson, Gapinski 4-2 (11-7) Ht 4..Crump, Sullivan, Klindt, Romanczuk 2-4 (13-11) Ht 5..Hampel, Richardson, Ulamek, Bjerre 3-3 (16-14) Ht 6..Andersen, Swiderski, Sullivan, Hefenbrock 1-5 (17-19) Ht 7..Crump, Drabik, Hancock, Klindt 3-3 (20-22) Ht 8..Hampel, Sullivan, Bjerre, Hefenbrock 2-4 (22-26) Ht 9..Drabik, Hancock, Andersen, Swiderski 5-1 (27-27) Ht 10..Crump, Ulamek, Richardson, Jamrozy 3-3 (30-30) Ht 11..Hancock, Andersen, Swiderski, Hefenbrock 3-3 (33-33) Ht 12..Richardson, Hampel, Ulamek, Klindt 4-2 (37-35) Ht 13..Bjerre, Crump, Drabik, Sullivan 1-5 (38-40) Ht 14..Drabik, Andersen, Ulamek, Bjerre 4-1 (42-42) Ht 15..Crump, Hampel, Richardson, Hancock 1-5 (43-47) Notes: 1..Ht 6 and Swiderski replaces Gapinski for Wroclaw. 2..Ht 7 and Klindt replaces Jamrozy for Wroclaw. 3..Ht 9 and Swiderski replaces Gapinski for Wroclaw. 4..Ht 11 and Swiderski replaces Gapinski for Wroclaw. 5..Ht 12 and Klindt replaces Jamrozy for Wroclaw. 6..Ht 14 and it's Drabik-Ulamek for Czestochowa and Bjerre-Andersen for Wroclaw. 7..Ht 15 and it's Hancock-Richardson for Czestochowa and Hampel-Crump for Wroclaw. ----------------------- Bonus points calculated per British Elite League. ----------------------- All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rybnik versus Rzeszow Rybnik..39 9..R Szombierski..3,2,2',1 = 8+1 10..R Gafurov..2',1',3,2,0 = 8+2 11..R Chromik..1',2,0,1 = 4+1 12..M Smolinski..2,1,0 = 3 13..Z Czerwinski..2,1,2,0 = 5 14..P Pawlaszczyk..2,3,0,3 = 8 15..W Druchniak..1',0,0 = 1+1 16..D Gizatulin..0,2,0 = 2 Rzeszow..51 1..T Chrzanowski..1,3,1,1,1' = 7+1 2..K Baran..0,2',3,1,2 = 8+1 3..T Rempala..0,0,0 = 0 4..M Kuciapa..3,2,1,2',2' = 10+2 5..N Pedersen..3,3,3,3,3 = 15 6..D Stachyra..3,0,1,3 = 7 7..P Miesiac..0,1,3 = 4 8..M Les = DNR Ht 1..Stachyra, Pawlaszczyk, Druchniak, Miesiac [E/F] 3-3 (3-3) Ht 2..Szombierski, Gafurov, Chrzanowski, Baran 5-1 (8-4) Ht 3..Kuciapa, Smolinski, Chromik, Rempala [Ex/T] 3-3 (11-7) Ht 4..Pedersen, Czerwinski, Miesiac, Druchniak 2-4 (13-11) Ht 5..Chrzanowski, Baran, Smolinski, Gizatulin 1-5 (14-16) Ht 6..Pawlaszczyk, Kuciapa, Czerwinski, Rempala 4-2 (18-18) Ht 7..Pedersen, Szombierski, Gafurov, Stachyra 3-3 (21-21) Ht 8..Baran, Czerwinski, Chrzanowski, Pawlaszczyk 2-4 (23-25) Ht 9..Gafurov, Szombierski, Kuciapa, Rempala 5-1 (28-26) Ht 10..Pedersen, Chromik, Stachyra, Smolinski 2-4 (30-30) Ht 11..Miesiac, Kuciapa, Szombierski, Druchniak 1-5 (31-35) Ht 12..Stachyra, Gizatulin, Chrzanowski, Chromik 2-4 (33-39) Ht 13..Pedersen, Gafurov, Baran, Czerwinski 2-4 (35-43) Ht 14..Pawlaszczyk, Baran, Chrzanowski, Gizatulin 3-3 (38-46) Ht 15..Pedersen, Kuciapa, Chromik, Gafurov 1-5 (39-51) Notes: 1..Ht 3 and Rzeszow's Rempala gets himself into mischief at the tapes and is excluded. 2..Ht 5 and Gizatulin replaces Chromik for Rybnik. 3..Ht 11 and Druchniak replaces Pawlaszczyk for Rybnik. 4..Ht 11 and Miesiac replaces Rempala for Rzeszow. 5..Ht 12 and Gizatulin replaces Smolinski for Rybnik. 6..Ht 14 and it's Pawlaszczyk-Gizatulin for Rybnik and Chrzanowski-Baran for Rzeszow. 7..Ht 15 and it's Gafurov-Chromik for Rybnik and Kuciapa-Pedersen for Rzeszow. ----------------------- Bonus points calculated per British Elite League. ----------------------- All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Torun versus Leszno Torun..50 9..A Miedzinski R/R 10..K Slabon..1',1',1',2,2 = 7+3 11..S Stead..3,0,2,2',0,0 = 7+1 12..B Pedersen..1,3,2,1',3,1' = 11+2 13..W Jagus..2,3,3,3,2 13 14..A Wisniewski = DNR 15..D Stachowiak..1,1 = 2 16..K Zabik..3,1,0,2,3,1' = 10+1 Leszno..40 1..R Dobrucki..0,1' = 1+1 2..D Balinski..3,2,1',2,0 = 8+1 3..K Kasprzak..2,2,2,0,0,3 = 9 4..M Loram..0,0,1 = 1 5..L Adams..2,3,3,3,3,3 = 17 6..A Kajoch..2,0,0,1' = 3+1 7..R Kasprzak..0,0 = 0 8..R Miskowiak..1,0 = 1 Ht 1..Zabik, Kajoch, Stachowiak, R Kasprzak 4-2 (4-2) Ht 2..Balinski, Jagus, Slabon, Dobrucki 3-3 (7-5) Ht 3..Stead, K Kasprzak, Pedersen, Loram 4-2 (11-7) Ht 4..Jagus, Adams, Stachowiak, R Kasprzak 4-2 (15-9) Ht 5..Pedersen, Balinski, Dobrucki, Stead 3-3 (18-12) Ht 6..Jagus, K Kasprzak, Zabik, Loram 4-2 (22-14) Ht 7..Adams, Pedersen, Slabon, Kajoch 3-3 (25-17) Ht 8..Jagus, K Kasprzak, Balinski, Zabik [Ex] 3-3 (28-20) Ht 9..Adams, Zabik, Slabon, K Kasprzak [E/F] 3-3 (31-23) Ht 10..Adams, Stead, Pedersen, Kajoch 3-3 (34-26) Ht 11..Zabik, Stead, Loram, K Kasprzak 5-1 (39-27) Ht 12..Pedersen, Balinski, Kajoch, Stead [Ex] 3-3 (42-30) Ht 13..Adams, Slabon, Zabik, Balinski [Fall] 3-3 (45-33) Ht 14..K Kasprzak, Slabon, Miskowiak, Stead 2-4 (47-37) Ht 15..Adams, Jagus, Pedersen, Miskowiak 3-3 (50-40) Notes: 1..Ht 1 and Zabik replaces Wisniewski for Torun. 2..Ht 2 and Jagus takes the R/R for Torun. 3..Ht 6 and Zabik replaces Wisniewski for Torun. 4..Ht 7 and Pedersen takes the R/R for Torun. 5..Ht 8 and Zabik replaces Wisniewski for Torun. 6..Ht 8 and K Kasprzak replaces Dobrucki in a tactical move by Leszno. 7..Ht 8 and we've a re-run without Torun's Zabik, who gets himself into mischief and is excluded. 8..Ht 9 and Zabik takes the R/R for Torun. 9..Ht 9 and Adams replaces Loram in a tactical move by Leszno. 10..Ht 11 and Stead takes the R/R for Torun. 11..Ht 11 and Zabik replaces Wisniewski for Torun. 12..Ht 12 and Balinski replaces Dobrucki in a tactical move by Leszno. 13..Ht 12 and we've a re-run without Torun's Stead, who gets himself into mischief and is excluded. 14..Ht 13 and Zabik replaces Jagus for Torun. 15..Ht 14 and it's Slabon-Stead for Torun and K Kasprzak-Miskowiak for Leszno. 16..Ht 15 and it's Pedersen-Jagus for Torun and Loram-Adams for Leszno. 17..Ht 15 and Miskowiak replaces Loram for Leszno. ----------------------- Bonus points calculated per British Elite League. ----------------------- All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl

Scored 18 points from 7 rides at Bydgoszcz today - would you bet against it?

Not, strictly speaking, true. The world final's home nation, whether that be Britain, Poland, Germany, wherever, always had a seeded spot available should none of their riders qualify.

Made the final in Krsko and Eskilstuna this season - that's as many finals as Leigh Adams has made and more than Nicholls. I agree that's probably what BSI are thinking right now - Jagus' victory has spoiled their chances of bringing in Kolodziej. But, PK? PK has hardly set the GPs alight when he's been in them. I see no reason for that to change. And Jagus would still have qualified without yesterday's meeting finale - Holta would've missed out, not Jagus. Lindback will be safe - he's the type of rider BSI want around. Agreed, but with Iversen enjoying the protection of Olsen and Richardson seeming to have more GP lives than a cat, nothing would surprise me. Made GP finals in Slovenia and Sweden so far this season. And he's likely to qualify on merit. Anyway, BSI won't want to lose such a charismatic figure from the circus.

And where in Poland will the great man be riding next season? It seems that cash-strapped Tarnow may not be able to afford to keep Gollob next season and it looks like he has a fair few clubs chasing his signature. Could an emotional return to Polonia Bydgoszcz be on the cards, or will Marta Poltorak lure him to Rzeszow? http://www.speedwayworld.tv/en/polishleague/a6677

With the Bydgoszcz GP still to come, you don't think Tomasz Gollob, already in the top 8, will stay there? Highly unlikely. And anyway, BSI won't want to lose Gollob, or Hampel, but maybe domestic considerations will mean they want Kolodziej in there. What are they to do?

And the arguement for qualifying over nominating is, of course, that Hans Andersen wasn't deemed worthy of a nomination for this season, while Lee Richardson was. Qualifying is infinitely superior.

You were saying Subedei? Jagus wins the final and spoils BSI's plans - how will they fit Kolodziej into the GPs next season after this? They'll not want to lose Gollob or Hampel, that's for sure. Congratulations to Jagus, Andersen and Holta (two out of three in my prediction isn't too bad - PePe let me down). Hard luck to PK, but he never really shone in the GPs.

Anyway, top marks to the VMS Elit site for giving heat details in English as well as Swedish - much appreciated.

Can't see Jagus getting through now. Andersen, PK and Holta it is - they were the favourites and they've done the business. Not sure how happy BSI will be - neither PK nor Holta have pulled up many trees in the GPs. But I guess they'd be most upset if Jagus had made it.

I can't see PePe beating Jagus under any circumstances other than a Jagus fall or engine failure - the Poles will team ride if Jagus is in trouble.

No wonder he's so popular (when he shows) at Swindon: "Gafurov tried a "wall-of-death-ride" to pass Laukkanen but didn´t make it."

Holta makes light work of gate 1 to claim a final place. Stead helps himself to another last place.

Absolutely. And that was probably back in the days when a GP had more than 16 riders. Stead will never, ever be 16-rider GP standard. Not ever. Never.

And it is 11 points for Harris - a worthy and noble performance from him. I don't think he'll make the final, but he's given a good account of himself. The competition was very tough.

I'd say the final will be: Andersen PK Jagus Holta A 2nd won't do for Harris - Holta has an easier final heat and will win it.

Can Gafurov throw a cat among the pigeons here? I think Holta will struggle for the final unless he gets a 1st or 2nd in Ht 16.

Harris is looking handily placed for the final - 9 points after 4 heats. Only cloud on the horizen is, he's up against Andersen in his final outing.

Of course he would - he'll never, ever, as long as the sun is in the sky be GP standard. So why the hell do the Sky duo of Millard and Pearson keep talking about him as a GP star of the future?

Holta, PK and Andersen in Ht 16 - could be tears before that one's finished - Jagus a relatively easier task in Ht 15. This could get very interesting.

And Stead, Nigel Pearson's tip for grand prix superstardom falls by the wayside - hard to see him qualify after running a last.

After they've all had 3 heats: 1) (4) Peter Karlsson, Sverige, 9p ( 3 3 3 1) (15) Hans Andersen, Danmark, 9p ( 3 3 3 3) (9) Rune Holta, Norge, 8p ( 3 2 3 4) (5) Wieslaw Jagus, Polen, 7p ( 3 3 1 5) (14) Piotr Protasiewicz, Polen, 7p ( 2 3 2 6) (1) Chris Harris, Stobritannien, 6p ( 2 1 3 7) (7) Simon Stead, Storbritannien, 4p ( 2 2 0 8) (11) Ryan Sullivan, Australien, 4p ( 2 1 1 9) (12) Kaj Laukkanen, Finland, 4p ( 1 1 2 10) (2) Charlie Gjedde, Danmark, 3p ( 1 2 0 11) (6) Renat Gafurov, Ryssland, 3p ( 1 0 2 12) (16) Matej Ferjan, Slovenien, 3p ( 1 2 0 13) (13) Martin Smolinski, Tyskland, 2p ( S 0 2 14) (10) Robert Kosciecha, Polen, 2p ( 0 1 1 15) (8) Mikael Max, Sverige, 1p ( 0 0 1 16) (3) David Howe, Storbritannien, 0p ( 0 0 0 17) (17) Niels-Kristian Iversen, Danmark, 0p ( 18) (18) Fredrik Lindgren, Sverige, 0p (

Go to: http://www.vmselit.nu Under NYHETER, click on "Grand Final Live" and if that doesn't work, I believe you are, in modern parlance, knackered.

Yes, a bit of a disaster for Jagus in Ht 10. But the Andersen bandwagon keeps rolling on.