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So, who's going to finish 5th and who's going to finish 6th in the Ekstra Liga in 2005? That's what this meeting is all about. Leszno finished 5th in the final league table and only have to overhaul an 8 point deficit to finish 5th after the play-offs. It shouldn't be beyond them. Wroclaw, runners-up to Tarnow in 2004, are already looking ahead to 2006. ------------------------------ Leszno..51 [92] 9..L Adams..3,3,3,3,2 = 14 10..L Jankowski..2',1,2',0 = 5+2 11..D Balinski..2,2,3,3,1' = 11+1 12..A Skornicki..0,1',1,2',0 = 4+2 13..K Kasprzak..3,0,1',1,3 = 8+1 14..D Balinski Jr..0 = 0 15..N Kosciuch..3,0,3,2,1 = 9 Wroclaw..39 [88] 1..J Hampel [R/R] 2..R Miskowiak..0,0,3,0,2',2 = 7+1 3..K Slabon..1,1',0,0 = 2+1 4..P Swiderski..3,3,2,1,0,1',0 = 10+1 5..H Andersen..1,2,2,2,2,3,3 = 15 6..R Jamrozy..2,1',0,0,1 = 4+1 7..M Pacholak..1' = 1+1 Ht 1..Kosciuch, Jamrozy, Pacholak, Balinski Jr 3-3 (3-3) Ht 2..Adams, Jankowski, Andersen, Miskowiak 5-1 (8-4) Ht 3..Swiderski, Balinski, Slabon, Skornicki 2-4 (10-8) Ht 4..Kasprzak, Andersen, Jamrozy, Kosciuch 3-3 (13-11) Ht 5..Swiderski, Balinski, Skornicki, Miskowiak 3-3 (16-14) Ht 6..Kosciuch, Swiderski, Slabon, Kasprzak 3-3 (19-17) Ht 7..Adams, Andersen, Jankowski, Jamrozy [Ex] 4-2 (23-19) Ht 8..Miskowiak, Kosciuch, Kasprzak, Slabon 3-3 (26-22) Ht 9..Adams, Jankowski, Swiderski, Slabon [E/F] 5-1 (31-23) Ht 10..Balinski, Andersen, Skornicki, Jamrozy 4-2 (35-25) Ht 11..Adams, Andersen, Kosciuch, Swiderski 4-2 (39-27) Ht 12..Balinski, Skornicki, Jamrozy, Miskowiak 5-1 (44-28) Ht 13..Andersen, Miskowiak, Kasprzak, Jankowski 1-5 (45-33) Ht 14..Kasprzak, Miskowiak, Swiderski, Skornicki 3-3 (48-36) Ht 15..Andersen, Adams, Balinski, Swiderski 3-3 (51-39) ------------------------------ Notes: 1..Ht 2 and Andersen takes the R/R ride for Wroclaw. 2..Ht 4 and Kosciuch replaces Balinski Jr for Leszno. 3..Ht 5 and Swiderski takes the R/R ride for Wroclaw. 4..Ht 6 and Kosciuch replaces Balinski Jr for Leszno. 5..Ht 7 and Jamrozy gets himself into mischief and is excluded. 6..Ht 8 and Kosciuch replaces Balinski Jr for Leszno. 7..Ht 8 and Slabon takes the R/R ride for Wroclaw. 8..Ht 11 and Kosciuch replaces Balinski Jr for Leszno. 9..Ht 11 and Andersen replaces Slabon in a tactical move by Wroclaw. 10..Ht 12 and Miskowiak takes the R/R ride for Wroclaw. 11..Ht 14 and it's Skornicki-Kasprzak for Leszno and Swiderski-Miskowiak for Wroclaw. 12..Ht 14 and a 3-3 means Wroclaw need a 5-0 to win on aggregate. 13..Ht 15 and it's Adams-Balinski for Leszno and Andersen-Swiderski for Wroclaw. 14..Ht 15 and it's a 3-3 meaning Leszno finish 5th in the 2006 Ekstra Liga and Wroclaw 6th. ------------------------------ Bonus points calculated per British Elite League. All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl

And this meeting'll decide who gets the Ekstra Liga's bronze medal. In the first leg a couple of weeks ago, Torun were missing Crump and Smith due to a fixture clash and Torun were hammered. Unless the rain forces another next-day re-staging, Torun should have Crump and Smith in the ranks. But it'll be tough to claw back 26 points. ------------------------------ Torun..47 [79] 9..J Crump..3,2,3,1',2,2 = 13+1 10..M Puszakowski [R/R] 11..A Smith..1',1',1',3,0,1' = 7+4 12..K Zabik..0,2,2,0,3,2 = 9 13..W Jagus..3,2,3,2',0,1' = 11+2 14..M Jagus..0 = 0 15..A Miedzinski..3,1,1',0,2 = 7+1 Czestochowa..43 [101] 1..S Ulamek..2,3,2,2,3,3 = 15 2..R Sullivan [R/R] 3..G Walasek..3,0,3,1,0,0 = 7 4..S Drabik..0,0,1',0,3 = 4+1 5..R Holta..1',2,3,2,3,1,0 = 12+1 6..M Szczepaniak..2,0,0,1',1' = 4+2 7..M Piekarski..1' = 1+1 Ht 1..Miedzinski, Szczepaniak, Piekarski, M Jagus [Ex/2] 3-3 (3-3) Ht 2..Crump, Ulamek, Holta, Zabik 3-3 (3-3) Ht 3..Walasek, Zabik, Smith, Drabik 3-3 (9-9) Ht 4..W Jagus, Holta, Miedzinski, Szczepaniak 4-2 (13-11) Ht 5..Ulamek, Zabik, Smith, Walasek 3-3 (16-14) Ht 6..Walasek, W Jagus, Miedzinski, Drabik [E/F] 3-3 (19-17) Ht 7..Holta, Crump, Smith, Szczepaniak 3-3 (22-20) Ht 8..W Jagus, Ulamek, Drabik, Miedzinski [E/F] 3-3 (25-23) Ht 9..Crump, W Jagus, Walasek, Drabik 5-1 (30-24) Ht 10..Smith, Holta, Szczepaniak, Zabik 3-3 (33-27) Ht 11..Holta, Miedzinski, Crump, Walasek [Ex/T] 3-3 (36-30) Ht 12..Zabik, Ulamek, Szczepaniak, Smith 3-3 (39-33) Ht 13..Ulamek, Crump, Holta, W Jagus 2-4 (41-37) Ht 14..Drabik, Zabik, Smith, Walasek 3-3 (44-40) Ht 15..Ulamek, Crump, W Jagus, Holta [E/F] 3-3 (47-43) ------------------------------ Notes: 1..Ht 1 and M Jagus fails to beat the 2 minutes and is excluded. 2..Ht 2 and Zabik takes the R/R ride for Torun. 3..Ht 2 and Holta takes the R/R ride for Czestochowa. 4..Ht 4 and Miedzinski replaces M Jagus for Torun. 5..Ht 5 and Walasek takes the R/R ride for Czestochowa. 6..Ht 6 and Miedzinski replaces M Jagus for Torun. 7..Ht 7 and Smith takes the R/R for Torun. 8..Ht 8 and Miedzinski replaces M Jagus for Torun. 9..Ht 8 and Drabik takes the R/R ride for Czestochowa. 10..Ht 9 and W Jagus takes the R/R ride for Torun. 11..Ht 11 and Meidzinski replaces M Jagus for Torun. 12..Ht 11 and Holta replaces Drabik in a tactical move by Czestochowa. 13..Ht 11 and Walasek gets up to mischief at the tapes and is excluded. 14..Ht 11 and a 3-3 means Czestochowa can't be beaten on aggregate and win the bronze medal. 15..Ht 13 and Crump takes the R/R ride for Torun. 16..Ht 13 and Ulamek takes the R/R ride for Czestochowa. 17..Ht 14 and it's Zabik-Smith for Torun and it's Walasek-Drabik for Czestochowa. 18..Ht 15 and it's Crump-W Jagus for Torun and Ulamek-Holta for Czestochowa. ------------------------------ Bonus points calculated per British Elite League. All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl

Ekstra Liga Grand Final (2nd Leg) - Bydgoszcz A feeling of injustice burns within the souls of the Bydgoszcz faithful following Pepe's controversial exclusions in the 1st leg at Tarnow. It should ensure a white hot atmosphere in the Polonia stadium, as Bydgoszcz attempt to overhaul a 22 point deficit and lift their 8th Polish title. It'll be a tough task, but not impossible. ------------------------------ Bydgoszcz..44 [78] 9..A Jonsson..2',2,3,2',0 = 9+2 10..J Krzyzaniak..3,1',0,1,3 = 8+1 11..R Sawina..0,1',2,2,2' = 7+2 12..M Robacki..1,2,0,0 = 3 13..P Protasiewicz..2',3,1',0,1 14..K Klecha..2,3,0,2,3 = 10 15..K Buczkowski..0 = 0 Tarnow..46 [103] 1..T Rickardsson..1,3,3,3,3 = 13 2..S Burza..0,0,0,3,1 = 4 3..J Gollob..3,2,2 = 7 4..R Wardzala..1,0 = 1 5..T Gollob..1,3,3,2',2' =11+2 6..M Rempala..1,0,0,1,1 = 3 7..J Kolodziej..3,2',1',1',0 = 7+3 Ht 1..Kolodziej, Klecha, Rempala, Buczkowski 2-4 (2-4) Ht 2..Krzyzaniak, Jonsson, Rickardsson, Burza 5-1 (7-5) Ht 3..J Gollob, Kolodziej, Robacki, Sawina 1-5 (8-10) Ht 4..Klecha, Protasiewicz, T Gollob, Rempala 5-1 (13-11) Ht 5..Rickardsson, Robacki, Sawina, Burza [Ex] 3-3 (16-14) Ht 6..Protasiewicz, J Gollob, Kolodziej, Klecha [Ex] 3-3 (19-17) Ht 7..T Gollob, Jonsson, Krzyzaniak, Rempala 3-3 (22-20) Ht 8..Rickardsson, Klecha, Protasiewicz, Burza [E/F] 3-3 (25-23) Ht 9..Jonsson, J Gollob, Kolodziej, Krzyzaniak 3-3 (28-26) Ht 10..T Gollob, Sawina, Rempala, Robacki 2-4 (30-30) Ht 11..Klecha, Jonsson, Wardzala, Kolodziej [E/F] 5-1 (35-31) Ht 12..Rickardsson, Sawina, Rempala, Robacki 2-4 (37-35) Ht 13..Burza, T Gollob, Krzyzaniak, Protasiewicz 1-5 (38-40) Ht 14..Krzyzaniak, Sawina, Burza, Wardzala 5-1 (43-41) Ht 15..Rickardsson, T Gollob, Protasiewicz, Jonsson 1-5 (44-46) ------------------------------ Notes: 1..Ht 3 and Kolodziej replaces Wardzala for Tarnow. 5..Ht 5 and Burza has been a naughty boy and is excluded for Tarnow. 3..Ht 6 and Kolodziej replaces Wardzala for Tarnow. 4..Ht 6 and Klecha has been a naughty boy and is excluded for Bydgoszcz. 5..Ht 9 and Kolodziej replaces Wardzala for Tarnow. 6..Ht 11 and Kolodziej replaces J Gollob for Tarnow. 7..Ht 12 and a 4-2 to Tarnow means they're over 90 points and are Ekstra Liga champions for 2005. 7..Ht 14 and it's Krzyzaniak-Sawina for Bydgoszcz and Burza-Wardzala for Tarnow. 8..Ht 15 and it's Jonsson-Protasiewicz for Bydgoszcz and Rickardsson-T Gollob for Tarnow. 9..Ht 15 and a TR-TG 5-1 means that Tarnow win on the night as well. ------------------------------ Bonus points calculated per British Elite League. All details from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl

I personally think Lindback would benefit from a year out of the circus.

I see that Jacek Gollob has been named in Tarnow's provisional line-up for Sunday. I guess he'll get a friendly reception from the Bydgoszcz fans.

With Damian Balinski scheduled to ride for Leszno against Wroclaw on Sunday, I guess he appealed and has now got his licence back. Interestingly, a Damian Balinski Jr is also in the provisional Leszno line-up.

Not so. According to the averages shown on sportowefakty.pl for the Ekstra Liga, Elitserien and Elite League, Protasiewicz is: At No 8 in the Ekstra Liga on 9.02 (ahead of Jonsson, Andersen and Hancock^), at No 10 in the Elitserien on 8.82 (ahead of Nicholls, Gollob, Hancock, Lindback, Richardson, Kasprzak and Andersen) and at No 26 in the Elite League on 7.49 (ahead of Lindback). ^: Nicholls, PB and Richardson haven't raced enough heats in the Ekstra Liga to gain a recognised average. However, taking their unrecognised averages, only BP is ahead of Protasiewicz.

Why? Lee Richardson isn't good enough (or he'd have qualified), neither is Nicholls (or he'd have qualified) and nor is any one else. But that's our problem. Find someone who is good enough and don't just rely on the charity of BSI and the FIM. Nicholls and Richardson are in because they're British. It's the only reason they're in. They don't deserve it. It's shameful.

WRONG. If they're not good enough (and they aren't, or they'd have qualified), they shouldn't be there.

Hazzman, I moved my operation to the Live Updates site to save on bandwidth here. I just post the end product on this forum after the meetings are complete. I can now be found at the following address: http://speedwayupdates.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=pol I rather think Nicholls will be in Tarnow's plans for 2006, either as a replacement for TR or as cover. And, of course, 2006 will be TR's last season, so Nicholls could be seen as a long-term replacement.

Heard Wroclaw were after Nicki P for next season.

And how, pray tell, is anyone going to enter the "top 16" if they're not allowed in? Which, it seems is what you advocate.

Thought Masarna would've had Lindback sorted out as well.

The racing in 2004 was "reasonable", but this year it was pretty dire really.

Obviously not, since there's already two guaranteed to be in the GPs next season. But they're not there on merit. They're there because they're British. It devalues the competition. If no British riders are good enough - and none has proved they are - then there should be no British riders. End of story. The presence of serial failures Nicholls and Richardson in the GPs next season devalues the competition.

I also hear that Unia Tarnow might be tempted to use some of the Rafineria Trzebinia money to lure Pawel Hlib to the club for next season. I assume that'll be to replace Janusz Kolodziej and Marcin Rempala in the junior berths. But where would that leave Jacek and Tomasz Gollob?

Andersen's got to be a worried boy. Maybe BSI are hoping Meridian Lifts will stump up some more money to secure his entrance. Yes, that's how shameful the GP circus now appears to be. Well done BSI, you've managed to shatter the integrity of the world championship.

No it won't. There'll be 3 Poles, BSI and Ole Olsen have said as much.

Rumour is that Unia Tarnow will be showing the return fixture at Bydgoszcz live on giant screens at their stadium and then the team will be whisked from Bydgoszcz to Tarnow via helicopter after the meeting to thank their supporters and - they're hoping - celebrate another league title.

Same here, no codec.

Not a proper track. Not a chance of a Mongol invasion.

Like Walasek, Pepe has a very powerful sponsor. Sponsors of the Polish GP in 2005. It's nothing short of disgraceful that such things enter the equation. Nicholls and Richardson get in solely because they're British and others because they've powerful sponsors. The circus will eventually implode. It's too incestuous.

I think it'll be Kolodziej personally. And Olsen reportedly said before Kasprzak was crowned "make believe" under 21 champ. But Kolodziej is a better rider than Kasprzak.

Actually, I just checked, and it seems Olsen said the three choices were Walasek, Kolodziej and Protasiewicz.

Did Olsen not say the third Polish place was between Kasprzak, Kolodziej and Protasiewicz? That would, effectively, rule Holta out. He can't suddenly be Norwegian again.