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Eeeerrrr on Sunday the member of the track staff went down in instalments in front of Lewis Kerr who took evasive action to avoid what could have been a nasty collision for both. I'm sure there was no intent from the track staff

Announced tonight that Worrall rides at Peterborough on Wednesday. King replaces Lambert and Newman replaces Robson. I think that was what was said.

You misunderstand. Check the sentence before the highlighted one. I agree a team made up of guests is not a team. It's a disgrace. But if all seven of your regular team turn up that's your team isn't it? So what if sometime someplace else they ride for another team. None of your business what people do in their own time. I have a permanent job and my customers don't complain when I freelance elsewhere in my own time. As long as I give them 100% they're happy. It's simple. If you hire a builder and they don't finish your job and go of to work on another job you can complain. But if they finish your job you've no right to complain when they go on to their next job. Guys (or Lady) got to make a living. The trouble with doubling up at present is it like the builder going to the next job before he's finished yours. Look, we'd all prefer there to be no doubling up (it's naff) but if we have to have it (so riders can make a living without asking the paying customer for more) then lets do it right and eliminate these fixture clashes so your riders are always available. If you always got to see your seven rider team it's just lame to say it's not my team because they ride for someone else also. Unless you're prepared to pay extra for the privilege of exclusivity?

But those Leszno riders don't ride exclusively for Leszno. Importantly, they don't ride for another Polish team (U21's aside) but some will ride for a Swedish team. But they are always available for Leszno fixtures and the fans don't turn up wondering if they're seeing a full team or a select team and that's the problem we have here. We all accept injuries are part and parcel of speedway but to watch your team without a rider because he's riding for someone else is unacceptable. Probably why the polish authorities are clamping down on this. All I suggest is that we should accept being able to see teams represented by their regular team members in the majority of fixtures and we shouldn't let what those riders do in their own time be of any concern. Even if that is riding for another team in a different league, even in the same country. It's not ideal but it's just a concept to get your head around. If they ride in all of my teams fixtures they're part of my team. What they do outside of that isn't my concern. Try it. Fixed race nights for the top league would enable this but I think there also needs to be a distinction between the standards. The promotion relegation concept is a joke. The gap between the leagues should be wider. That can only happen if the top riders are lured back. Fixed race nights, less fixtures and better tracks will help but is it affordable??? I suggest the Polish experience is so much better (having not been to a Polish fixture) because the on track product is far superior and that's what British speedway needs to focus on, whilst accepting that we're not as fortunate as the Polish in this respect. I guess the notion of team loyalty works both ways. We've all wanted an under performing rider dropped and replaced. It's harsh but also part of the fun. Where's your team loyalty then? If you said I won't support a team that is made up of different guests and R/R week in week out, I'd fully support you. But to say I won't support a team because some of that team ride for someone else is a fairly weak argument given the circumstances. I suggest that if the on track action was amazing week in week out you would be able to turn a blind eye to riders having two teams. My point being doubling up isn't totally to blame for the current state of British speedway it's the sub standard product. Especially when we all have access to seeing SGP's, SEC, SWC, Polish League etc etc. It's like watching an M&S advert then going to Poundland expecting to buy a meal deal but coming away with turkey twizzlers, having paid the M&S price. The fact that when you open your turkey twizzlers some of them have been replaced by chicken dinosaurs just adds insult to injury.

I also support Sunderland football TEAM but have absolutely no connection or affinity with the highly paid individuals who wear the shirt because the club offered them better terms than anyone else and will disappear as soon as a better offer comes along (granted some exceptions exist). Indeed a number of them play for another team as well as Sunderland, just not at the same time (loanees). I'll support Sunderland regardless of who pulls the shirt on (with the exception of Johnson, during which I had a time out for obvious reasons) because it's the club I've invested in since being a child. During which time there's been some highs unfortunately outweighed by lows but that's sport. I would say your average speedway rider invests more into the club(s) they ride for than the majority of footballers. Doesn't mean I don't still love my football. The decision point for going to a sporting event for me is will it be an entertaining contest. Football got its house in order years ago in terms of pitches and facilities and is reaping the rewards (although despite the pitches some of the standard of football played on them leaves a lot to be desired). This is where the speedway authorities have let the sport down. Some of the tracks are just not conducive to producing entertaining racing. In some cases it's unfortunate because the bikes have evolved beyond the constraints of some of the British tracks but there appears to be a notion that entertainment = home win so tracks are prepared for home track advantage rather than to produce the best entertainment. Add to this the fact that the majority now get to see (sometimes) top class entertainment in SGP or SWC the British product is mostly inferior in comparison. Get the on track fundamentals right and it really shouldn't matter that much who is riding for who. All sport is now business so the economics can't be ignored. Speedway does not generate enough income to employ the riders full time. That's why they're self employed and paid per appearance so who can blame them for wanting to maximizing that. Don't get me wrong I don't like doubling up it seems strange and guests are even worse for the integrity of the sport but giving the riders enough fixtures to earn a decent living is a necessary evil. And is Robert Lambert riding for Kings Lynn and Newcastle any different to him also riding for Masarna and Rybnik and a German team? If the structure was right to ensure that, even with doubling up, a team always lines up with their declared seven (injuries permitting) and scratch selects are avoided would it matter that those riders also ride in another league? As long as they're never double booked and are available for each fixture. And this isn't just prevalent in Speedway. There's now a T20 cricket merry-go-round of IPL, Big Bash, T20 Blast featuring a lot of similar faces and you'll soon see players signed to a county and a city franchise in the new T20 competition. If it improves the product nobody is bothered about monogamy anymore. Without having paid too much attention to the Premiership this season apart from a couple of TV matches it actually looks like an interesting league with unpredictability and away wins (Leicester @ Belle Vue??? who'd have predicted that?) apart from Swindon walking away with it thanks to Musielak for Gappmaier/Grondal. Other than that the teams seem evenly matched with reserves able to compete with heat leaders. Clearly the Kings Lynn Farces need to get their house in order but in general it seems a competitive league at a decent standard, just a shame so many matches involve so many guests. Fixed race night would surely minimize that.

So you want to be able to identify with and support your own team, just not financially. Bottom line is Pandora's box is open. A double up rider now has circa 70-80 meetings to earn from. You take that away and allow them to only ride for one team, that's basically halving their earning potential. What happens then? Double the riders pay rates? Pass that on to the supporter? Or riders retire further watering down the product? Not good outcomes. Get rid of doubling up and the crowds flood back to pay the higher pay rates? Nice dream. Plus we all want more competitive British riders and the additional track time can only help that. And it's not exactly a new idea. I seem to recall in the good old days the top National League riders would ride at reserve for another team in the British League. Agreed the current situation is terrible but structured correctly (i.e. fixed race night for the top division and/or different format) the positives of doubling up could be retained whilst the constant guests and R/R negatives would be removed. Going back just isn't an option so a new way has to be found.

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http://www.speedway-spiller.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=23&Itemid=104 Mentioned this more than once before. 2 English 2.00 reserves who ride with/have ridden with Robert in Germany. Could they be persuaded to do 4 home and 4 away in which I think they'd both average over 2.00 enabling the Diamonds to replace them with the likes of Liam Carr once they return to being German

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Your right. I think all the new #7's named thus far average more than Danny in the NL so there's no evidence to suggest he'll outscore any of those just because he's had a full season's "championship" experience. I've mentioned the Spiller boys before, purely because they ride with Lambert in Germany. No idea of their level (Daniel seemed to do well at Eastbourne a couple of seasons ago) or if they plan to ride in the UK but the 2 point options look limited and we might need two of them. Morris' near 5 point average is too high for a reserve in a watered down league. Ideally you'd start with a 3.50 ish rider at #6 like Lewis Rose last season. Doesn't Speedway Star report that the originally intended line up was 0.01 over the 40 point limited so perhaps there's now a smidgen more points wise for the #7?

There'd have to be 0.41 reductions to fit another 2.00 to complete that team. Neither Lindgren or Kus are 0.41 less than Wells so difficult to see how that sort of line up could happen.

Couldn't agree more with you. Theoretically team racing is just a façade whereby the individuals attempt to score the most points they can to boost their earnings. The team they ride for (or are riding for on that particular day) winning as a result of this is just a bi-product of the individuals efforts to earn the maximum they can. I accept there are examples whereby team mates assist each other in terms of set up advice etc but essentially the points money system does not introduce any jeopardy to the racing. If you gate you go because that's how you earn the most money, as I understand it. (notwithstanding appearance guarantees) How about if instead of points money each heat had a monetary prize. For ease of numbers say £600 (some heats could have a higher prize value than others i.e heat 15). If a heat is drawn each team wins £300, if it's a heat win (4-2 or 5-1) the winning team gets £400 and £500 respectively the losers £200 or £100. At the end of the meeting each team shares their total prize fund split on whatever basis has been agreed. So if you're in 2nd place and your team mate was last you'd be incentivised to assist your team mate to take 3rd place as that would add an extra £100 to your teams winnings. It needs some refinement but with the added benefit that the promoters would know exactly how much would be paid out in total each meeting it's worth trialling at least. You could also score matches based on heat wins so a match could end 5-3 (i.e. in a 15 heat match with 7 drawn heats) which appears much closer than say 50-40 to the casual viewer.

Well aware that everyone starts from an old premier league average base but once you have one division stronger than the other the relative averages are not comparable. A new Premiership team which averages 39 is not necessarily worse than a Championship team that averages 48. If the 1.4 multiplier is a valid conversion then the 39 point Premiership team would be the equivalent of a 55 point Championship team. But who knows what that conversion factor should be. All we can say is that:- Premiership team strength = Championship team strength less 2.00 #7 plus Premiership 12.00 #1 (i.e. replace your junior with Chris Holder) So why didn't more teams just move up anyway? Well there wouldn't be enough riders to support a larger league with 50 point team strength it only works because of doubling up, unless you build to 41.00 points (i.e old PL standard). Plus a few old PL teams struggled to afford that standard so it appears the few win over the majority. A few old EL teams don't want to lower to PL standard so they build to 50 points and a few old PL teams cant afford PL standard so they build to 40 points, whilst the majority would be able to operate an old PL standard. Add to that some teams who might be able to afford the uplift to 50 point PL teams would now be in a different league to their local rivals and you end up with a quasi South:North split anyway.

The relative end of season averages are irrelevant. The top Championship team will have a higher team average than the bottom Premiership team because they race in a lower standard division. The 10 point differential is the equivalent of replacing the Championship 2 pointer with a Championship number 1. Any team with that sort of advantage at the start of the Championship would be a cert for the title ergo the bottom Premiership must be a cert for the relegation play off. True a struggling Premiership team might be low on confidence against other Premiership teams but given that many of the team might also ride in the Championship that may be less of an issue. Closer than its ever been but the odds are still stacked. Although if Matt Ford is telling everyone there'll be two more Premiership teams in 2018 the concept of earning your place via promotion play off is somewhat redundant.......