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I don't. I support the Diamonds and Sunderland

16 teams of 7 riders each requires 112 riders (Redcar, Scunthorpe & Workington can't afford Premier League standard teams) The list I provided contains 117 riders not including any potential new foreign riders. The top 112 averages of those total 657 points so 7 man teams could be built to 41 points which is equivalent to the 2016 PL given the reduction of 3 pointers to 2 points. It could have been done but doubling up benefits the promoters and riders so its unpopularity with current supporters, the negative perception of new supporters, the fact that it has failed to deliver what it was meant to (more world class British riders) and its detrimental effect on the product is irrelevant. Too hard to put the lid back on Pandora's box.

I would image this is the likely pool of riders we'll be looking at..... Robert Lambert 8.76 Steve Worrall 8.51 Richie Worrall 8.33 Aaron Summers 8.13 Ricky Wells 7.71 Ludvig Lindgren 7.65 Matej Kus 7.55 Rene Bach 7.32 Rory Schlein 7.17 Stuart Robson 7.09 Michael Palm Toft 7.01 Lasse Bjerre 6.65 Kyle Newman 6.31 Tero Aarnio 6.24 Lewis Kerr 6.16 Lewis Rose 5.86 Victor Palovaara 5.80 Ashley Morris 4.83 Liam Carr 4.81 Robert Branford 4.60 Danny Phillips 2.00 S Worrall, L Lindgren, M Kus, L Rose, A Morris & D Phillips leaves only 3.60 for the 7th rider. I'm going to have to get used to seeing both my footie and speedway team in the inferior Championship (unless Bournemouth is a turning point )

Another half way house I guess Poole & Wolves aside none of the Elite League clubs could afford to continue at that level, whilst at Premier League level several clubs struggle to make ends meet, so an amalgamation was inevitable, be it one big league or two smaller leagues but essentially at a Premier League standard as affordable by all participating teams. So having accepted this reality why on earth do they decide to implement a 10 point difference between the two leagues!? Thereby reinstalling the potential that some of the Premiership (Div 1) clubs will find it unaffordable, rendering the promotion/relegation concept redundant, yet more average ambiguity and ensuring the continued use of extensive doubling up. Resulting in essentially a Premier League plus (Premiership) and a Premier League Lite (Championship) offering, when most of the clubs would have been able to sustain a Premier League standard product. Those that can't should seek to join the National League. The Doubling Up free for all has had a negative impact on the sport in the UK. Aside from the inevitable fixture clashes and the concept of being in more than one team diminishing the credibility of the sport it also impacts on the fairness of competition between those who Dup and those who don't. Some riders have twice the earnings of others and inevitably work with a much higher budget. Surely a Premier League standard product for the 16 most "affluent" teams with no doubling up would have been more desirable to the public, even if that meant two or three sgp stars would be excluded. If two leagues were preferable then a smaller 2.50 differential between team building could have worked. I think there are potentially 96 riders from last season excluding sgp riders. So adding a handful of 2.00 pointers and new foreign riders their would be enough for 16 Premier League standard teams. Whilst a total lack of top level competition in this country is regrettable it is not really being offered by the new Premiership either, bar 2 or 3 sgp riders. Another missed opportunity Craig Cook 9.88 Danny King 9.57 Eddie Kennett 9.27 Scott Nicholls 9.23 Brady Kurtz 9.22 Chris Harris 9.21 Rohan Tungate 9.03 Nick Morris 8.97 Josh Grajczonek 8.90 Sam Masters 8.88 Robert Lambert 8.76 Jason Garrity 8.55 Lewis Bridger 8.53 Steve Worrall 8.51 Simon Stead 8.39 Richie Worrall 8.33 Richard Lawson 8.17 Aaron Summers 8.13 Kevin Wolbert 8.09 Ben Barker 7.91 Adam Ellis 7.84 Ricky Wells 7.71 Ludvig Lindgren 7.65 David Bellego 7.63 Justin Sedgmen 7.60 Davey Watt 7.56 Matej Kus 7.55 Nico Covatti 7.49 Thomas Jorgensen 7.45 Troy Batchelor 7.36 Rene Bach 7.32 Ulrich Ostergaard 7.23 Ryan Douglas 7.18 Kyle Howarth 7.18 Rory Schlein 7.17 Jack Holder 7.16 Josh Auty 7.10 Stuart Robson 7.09 Michael Palm Toft 7.01 Kevin Doolan 6.99 Nikolaj Busk Jacobsen 6.98 Dimitri Berge 6.91 Hugh Skidmore 6.84 Erik Riss 6.78 Claus Vissing 6.76 Lasse Bjerre 6.65 Paul Starke 6.62 Charles Wright 6.59 Nickolas Porsing 6.58 Jonas B Andersen 6.32 Kyle Newman 6.31 Kenneth Hansen 6.25 Tero Aarnio 6.24 Theo Pijper 6.16 Lewis Kerr 6.16 Rasmus Jensen 6.14 Carl Wilkinson 6.12 Jake Allen 5.96 Lewis Rose 5.86 James Sarjeant 5.80 Victor Palovaara 5.80 Todd Kurtz 5.76 Matthew Wethers 5.65 Stefan Nielsen 5.53 Nicolai Klindt 5.42 Alex Davies 5.41 Joe Jacobs 5.36 Simon Lambert 5.25 Kasper Lykke Nielsen 5.16 Steve Boxall 5.15 Kai Huckenbeck 5.14 Robert Mear 5.11 Zdenek Simota 5.09 Cameron Heeps 5.07 Adam Roynon 5.05 Josh Bates 5.02 Bradley Wilson Dean 5.02 Daniel Gappmaier 5.00 Mark Riss 5.00 Tobias Busch 5.00 Jye Etheridge 5.00 Fritz Wallner 5.00 Nike Lunna 4.86 Ashley Morris 4.83 Liam Carr 4.81 Robert Branford 4.60 Emil Grondal 4.58 Leigh Lanham 4.34 Fernando Garcia 4.23 Max Clegg 4.04 Dan Bewley 4.00 Ben Morley 3.85 Arthur Sissis 3.79 Tom Perry 3.76 Matt Williamson 3.76 Danny Ayres 3.56 Danyon Hume 2.00 Darryl Richings 2.00 Danny Phillips 2.00 Daniel Halsey 2.00 Tom Stokes 2.00 Ellis Perks 2.00 Lee Payne 2.00 Josh Bailey 2.00 Nathan Greaves 2.00 Zach Wajknecht 2.00 Tom Bacon 2.00 Jack Parkinson-Blackburn 2.00 Jack Smith 2.00 Rob Shuttleworth 2.00 Dan Greenwood 2.00 Luke Chessell 2.00 Jake Knight 2.00 Georgie Wood 2.00 James Shanes 2.00 Connor Coles 2.00 Connor Mountain 2.00

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I think you're not allowed to aggregate more than 1 riders average together and replace up to their combined average if the total team average is over 42.50, which this is.

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Doesn't Robert Lambert ride in the same German team as a couple of young British lads?? As it stands Danny Phillips was the lowest ranked No.7 in the PL (based on his NL average and with the exception of Bewley) so it shouldn't be a surprise that it's been a struggle for him. IMO he looks to have enough ability to become a PL rider but does he have the equipment to match? We've definitely had worse No.7's.

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Except the reality, in speedway, is that won't happen. Firstly, promotion to a division 1 would not result in any significant increase in revenues either from gate receipts or sponsorship/TV money. So how would a promoted team afford the star names required? Secondly, what if, for example, Belle Vue are relegated and Newcastle are promoted. I can't see Matej Zagar turning down the Polish League to ride for Newcastle on a Sunday. Let's be very clear on this, if anyone is expecting this proposal to result in the return of a first division of world class riders and a second division of PL standard they are massively mistaken. This will be two leagues of PL standard teams. Not a problem for me as I enjoy that product I just don't see the point of two leagues of 10 teams. Although I can't really see there being 20 teams operating at PL level next season anyway. I also can't see what happens to the riders who double up at present. Whilst doubling up and guests are universally unpopular with the fans (me included) I wouldn't be happy if I was a double up rider going from circa 60 (plus guest) meetings to potentially 30 meetings with no guest opportunities. Yes riders could reduce their budget to fit but then how do you compete on a continental stage in terms of equipment and track time? To appeal to a wider audience British speedway needs media exposure and what little it gets of that is via SGP and SWC. What happens when Great Britain has no riders of that standard because no British riders can earn enough or get enough track time to become competitive, having never had the opportunity to ride against that standard of rider domestically? It seems obvious to me that the dilution of the Elite league has only resulted in a reduction in spectators. Whilst I'm happy watching PL standard racing a lot of punters only want to see the star names and vote with their feet accordingly. The problem for British speedway is that it never embraced the introduction of the GP series and rise of the Polish leagues. It never adapted to facilitate itself into the top riders schedules and so many of the top riders have dropped it. My point being, mucking around with heat formats, six man teams and promotion/relegation is not going to halt the decline. The really radical thinking required is how can the big names be incorporated to attract a wider audience and how can British riders become more competitive internationally?

Indeed. If the cost of running a meeting is greater than the gate receipts generated then you're better off running less meetings, presuming sponsorship and TV money is more or less fixed for the season. So if promoters have decided that more variety and meetings is the way to go then they must be either expecting gate receipts to increase or the cost of running the meetings are going to de reduced. I think we can all see that it's the later. Loosing 2 riders per meeting will go some way re travelling costs but the proposal is still for 15 heat matches so basically the same points money. So I think it's a fair assumption that the cost reductions will be generated from the removal of high earners. So there'll be no GP riders in either division. It'll basically be two divisions of PL standard teams. Remember the idea behind the proposal is that any team can move up the ladder from National League to become the British Elite league champions. That means a team like Newcastle being in the top league and running home matches on Sunday's. So really only domestically based riders will be involved which is probably the reason for 6 man teams more than anything else. Imagine what Poole team would turn up at Newcastle on a Sunday without guests!? And remember when the current PL started in the mid to late 90's it was 6 man teams which I think was due to rider availability. It was binned off after 1 season I think. And two divisions of say 12 teams doesn't offer variety anyway. The fixture list would have to be twice home and away which appears to be unpopular at present anyway. Promotion/Relegation in a football sense is a draw because so much is at stake financially. At lower levels lots of teams refuse promotion because they'd be worse off having to travel greater distances without their being any greater reward. Take a look at the Northern League. It's in the pyramid but often the winners don't move up. Promotion/Relegation in speedway would be more akin to the Northern league than Premier league. Plus it would only be a matter of time before a relegated team is reinstated because one of the top flight teams has gone bust. British promoters need to decide what they want the product to be. If they want a top level product with GP riders they need to find a format to accommodate them. Most notably a fixed race night and ability to generate higher levels of income to cover the higher costs. (i.e. better tracks, better facilities, better promotion) Or if they want speedway 7 nights a week with home meetings every week they'll need to produce a product which costs less than the limited income it generates. Mucking about with heat formats and introducing promotion/relegation is just tinkering at the seams. My point being that there's no radical thinking here just a re-hash of what has already been tried before.

Re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic then! But if it's been tested in a computer it must be the saviour!! Jesus. What chance of survival when the promoters don't even know what their customers want. Which is a professionally run sport with entertaining unpredictable racing Even assuming the riders accept the removal of doubling up and guest appearances for potentially one extra ride per meeting (although I can't see that Pandora's box ever being closed) what will this proposal improve? It makes no sense. The promoters have, to their credit, attempted to encourage more young riders which seems to be coming to some fruition and now they want to reduce the number of team place opportunities? Will promotion/relegation ever work? When you have promoters changing the ideal points system to guarantee 3 points for any home win because supporters were disappointed in getting only 2 (after seeing a close presumably entertaining match!!!) can you see them accepting a relegation? Are the supporters desperate for promotion/relegation??? I know that the ex promoter involved in this was frustrated because he wanted the Diamonds to be the best in the country but could never achieve that goal under the existing format. Is the answer to dilute the product even further? It isn't clear how rider replacement and guests would be removed but I can't see promoters/supporters accepting home defeats due to fielding an under strength team. Something needs to be done but what is the idea here? The article in SS doesn't say. I would have thought the carnage caused by changing the elite heat format and the resultant dysfunctional averages would have indicated that it's not really a good idea to have the same riders facing each other multiple times. You can just see the Poole no.6 starting on a 4 point average getting an inflated 9 point average thanks to the heat format and then being replaced by a genuine 9 point rider. Exactly the type of manipulation that has turned so many people off. Focus on improving quality (tracks, stadium facilities and riders) and run the sport professionally with integrity and you might stand a chance. After all, when speedway is good it's an amazing spectacle. Surely this is just another case of promoters missing the point.

The problem is nobody focuses on the product. Decisions seem to be made to enable enough "promotions" to form a viable league each season with the "Have's" making enough concessions to what they want to encourage enough "Have Not's" to make up the numbers. (Typical of Motorsport. Always the factory teams accept restrictions but always end up winning) In any business the product is king. If you haven't got a product you don't have a business. More than ever you have to have a quality product in the entertainment business because there are so many alternatives for the customer, not just sporting. i.e. TV subscriptions, Concerts, Gaming, Dining Out the list goes on. So if your product is poor customers will naturally spend their disposable income elsewhere given the range of choices available. Whatever speedway in Britain becomes it must provide a product which is value for money. So what makes a good sporting product? I'd say unpredictability, a genuine contest between evenly matched teams. Isn't that why everyone is raving about this seasons football Premier League? The actual standard of football is way below previous seasons (all the best players play in Spain or Germany) but watching the same 4 clubs dominate had become stale. So crucially having a league of competitive teams is a must. Speedway with a points limit can do that more readily than any other sport but has still managed to mess it up!!!! Because the points limit leads to dysfunctional team selections. The product suffers if a GP star lines up against a novice 3.00 pointer who's in the team to make the numbers up. Total non contest. The current EL tried to avoid this by changing the format so each team has 3 teams within a team, which just hasn't worked. If you want an Elite product in this country with 7 man teams you need even the lowest averaged rider to be of an acceptable standard capable of being competitive. That is why I don't think Elite level speedway is viable in a 7 man team format in this country. The GP standard riders have so much higher budgets how can a domestic rider afford to compete. Elite teams could be filled with continental riders but the admission fee would increase and to be honest I can't see anyone paying over £20 to attend an event in a run down stadium. I guess there are now only 3 or 4 speedway venues in the UK which could justify hosting a premium priced event. Check out the competition. Even non league football stadium standards offer far greater facilities than most speedway venues. The general public expect more for their money than standing in a field. So if the facilities available don't allow premium pricing you need to find a product that is affordable within the price customers are willing to pay. The $M question I guess. Whatever that level is the product must be the focus. And that means well prepared tracks conducive to passing (no more setting tracks to ensure a home win), competitive teams in which the variance in rider standard is minimised and providing the best possible customer experience. This doesn't mean cost's can't be cut but be innovative. Try to centralise costs. i.e. track curators, medical teams resources can be shared between tracks. Contract league wide with equipment providers so riders can benefit from product discounts. Get the product right and believe in it. After all going to a great speedway meeting is so much better than all those other leisure options. We just need to make sure those great meetings are the norm and don't just happen by luck.

Traditional league racing with 7 man teams over 8-9 months is a niche product. To reach a mass audience the best speedway can aim for is to be the focus of attention for a short time span during the summer. (like Wimbledon does for Tennis but obviously on a smaller scale) Talk to broadcasters find out when they have a two week gap in their schedules in which they can give high level promotion to the product. Get the best riders riding on the best tracks in the best stadiums currently on offer. If that means only using 4 or 5 locations then so be it. Make the format fit, don't get bogged down by traditional convention. It's got to be about the product on track. Get the betting companies involved to widen the appeal. Go big on the stats. Speedway lends itself to betting more than any other sport. There's a chance to win every 5 minutes. Run domestic March to October league speedway to an affordable model without the big names. Hope the flag ship event stimulates attendances and sponsorship.

Replace the double point tactical rides with choice of gates. So the match starts with fixed gates but if a team is 6 or more behind they get the opportunity to have the choice of gates. Should help to keep scores closer and become a point of tactical discussion without the "joker" unpopular element of double points. I'm always surprised by how little is made of gate positions during TV coverage and in general. In this information age there should be stats on what each rider averages out of each of the 4 gates.

Exactly. The likes of Konopka, Stichauer, Dilger are now essential No.6's. Probably adding 1.00 to 2.00 to their averages in heat 2 alone riding against NL standard riders. You'd have to be a mug to have a No.6 who averages much more than 3.50 based on their potential to increase. So what happens to the likes of Stefan Nielsen? Another half thought through idea.

Please please please....... don't introduce draft reserves at Premier League level and the dreadful associated heat format. Simply revert any foreign rider to their original assessed average if their CMA has fallen below that level and assess British riders with over 100 Premier League matches at 5.00. This will naturally open spaces for 3.00 British youngsters and increase the pool of riders. It would also stop British youngsters being dropped as soon as they improve their average to bring in a "more experienced" alternative. It might also help with work permits as permit riders would never drop below 7.00. One of the great things about 7 man teams is that you can build different types of teams. Not everyone can afford an out and out no. 1. Those who can't go for strength in depth. It's interesting to see different team compositions. The draft system and heat format make team building more generic, everyone is looking for next seasons Gomolski. Great to see more British talent but not at the expense of the product. The Premier League in its current format already develops British talent to a certain standard. The failing is in developing the likes of Auty, the Worralls etc etc to the next level of International class racers. That's been the problem for years now. There are loads of examples of wonderkid youngsters who develop quickly but who never get any better than Premier League no. 1's. I'd also like to see a change to match scoring trialled (perhaps in the KOC). Still 3-2-1 points per heat but matches would be won by the team with the most heat wins (i.e. 5-1's or 4-2's). Should make for closer matches with score lines like 6-5 etc, and the potential for more last heat deciders. Using this format for this seasons Elite league Grand Final would have resulted in Belle Vue winning a last heat decider.

Would have thought Lanham would have come into consideration at reserve. In a team without too much experience, his could be invaluable.

Robson Kerr R Lambert L Lindgren A Thomsen (if still riding) Rose 3.00 (liked the look of O Greenwood but think he has an ave. over 3.00) Totals 42.50 No #1 but with Rose starting at reserve there are potentially six 7+ pointers

Change the scoring and payments system so that the emphasis is on heat advantages. So still 3 for a win, 2 for 2nd etc etc but the match score is based on heat advantages. Eg a 5-1 or a 4-2 heat advantage would gain a team 1 match point. 3-3 drawn heats would result in no match points for either side. i.e. if the home team wins heat 1 4-2, they go 1 nil up. If heat 2 is a 3-3 it remains 1 nil. If the home team win heat 3 5-1 they go 2 nil up. As opposed to 12-6 in the current method. Effectively a 4-2 has the same value as a 5-1. Both are heat advantages that earn 1 match point. As for payments as far as I'm aware riders are paid per point scored but what if that was changed so that each heat had a prize fund (for illustrative purposes £1,000 per heat {heat 15 might be more}) Any heat advantage earns £1,000 for the winning team. Drawn heats see the prize fund split £500 each. This might encourage team riding. So instead of a heat leader charging away for 3 points they would be incentivised to generate a heat advantage, doubling their teams prize fund. How the end of meeting prize funds are distributed between the team would be up to each team. Worth a trial in the League or KO Cups???

Ah it does say "the" and not "a". Still a bit bleary eyed. Thanks for pointing that out.

Having a day off work to recover (in a good way) from last nights Courtney Love gig and as my hangover lifted I got to thinking that perhaps we've all missed a trick with this team re-declaration. I still think the rule to not allow Robert Lambert to ride PL has been superseded by the reality that other riders are actually riding both league without having an official MA. But because that was the focus of attention I'd not thought about Danny King's converted average. Apologies if this has already been discussed but shouldn't Danny King have joined the Diamonds on his previous PL average??? As per: 18.6.3 Where a Rider has a PL Established MA from the previous season, then this MA is used. So shouldn't Danny revert to his last PL average of 8.00 ish from 2006 ish? Thereby freeing up another 3 points which could/should have allowed the Diamonds to retain Henry or Rosen? King, Robson, Lindgren, Henry/Rosen, Kerr, Rose, 3.00. Again apologies if this has already been discounted.