LagutaRacingFan Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Very harsh. There needs to be a rule that you can't drop rising stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 7 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I thinks it's harsh & too early for a couple of reasons. 1) Hagon hasn't had any Champ matches yet to compare his form to Gilkes. 2) Leicester "reserved" Hagon as their RS, meaning no other team could secure him in the draft, to then drop him seems odd. To "reserve" Hagon rather than hope someone better was available when it came to their pick, must mean they had a lot of faith in Sam's ability, where has that faith disappeared to? I think that last question is a fair one, I'd be interested to hear an answer but I know we won't get one from the club. The only thing I can think of is Cook pulling out; perhaps they were willing to accept the low scores and building experience but now the situation has changed and Kemp can't replicate the scores Cook could have achieved at times. I'd say that Hagon looked a bit better against BV the other week, although still largely gifted most of his points, but the other day against Ipswich he really did look miles off it, and it's been the latter more often that not in Lions colours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 29 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Very harsh. There needs to be a rule that you can't drop rising stars. I disagree with that, it is a sport & if you're not performing, can't demand a place all season. But I do feel, and this is for all riders, there should be a minimum amount of matches ridden before you can be dropped, maybe 8, at the very minimum 6 imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 35 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Very harsh. There needs to be a rule that you can't drop rising stars. There use to be (25%-75%) but it got dropped together with the ability to replace an injured team member after 75% period. Bad move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 46 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I thinks it's harsh & too early for a couple of reasons. 1) Hagon hasn't had any Champ matches yet to compare his form to Gilkes. 2) Leicester "reserved" Hagon as their RS, meaning no other team could secure him in the draft, to then drop him seems odd. To "reserve" Hagon rather than hope someone better was available when it came to their pick, must mean they had a lot of faith in Sam's ability, where has that faith disappeared to? I agree with point 2... but not point 1, based on last years performances alone he should not have been back. Mr Dickson seems to have a merry go round of the same riders, it'll probably be only a matter of time before Kemp is dropped (for the umpteenth time) and another one is the old faces will be in, Batch any one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 (edited) I also think Leicester is quite a peculiar track and takes quite some mastering even from some of the more experienced riders, so bringing in these riders with little to no experience of it is not helping. To have a Cubs/Fox's team and not be developing through that is a big mistake, the club seems to have alienated the 2 best riders from that system in the Thompsen's and Cairns inexplicably wants to plough his furrow elsewhere. The club made a big thing about the signings of Mountain & Perry, they don't even seemingly come into the equation. Mr Dickson seems to like to wear his ruthlessness as a badge of honour and has mentioned that he's not afraid to make a change a number of times in the media... how about just getting it right from the start? 🤔 Edited April 19 by IainB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeellis Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Think Hagon has done more in a couple of seasons than Gilkes in about 4/5?Has done not much in Premiership and is no better than a 5 point man in the championship. He was terrible guesting for the Bears last week,didn’t beat an opposing rider, was 5-1 d, 3 times on a track that was his home base last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Joe T would have scored more especially around Leicester. Maybe he didn’t fancy it who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, IainB said: Cairns inexplicably wants to plough his furrow elsewhere dont think its inexplicable at all he wants to stand on his own two feet independently of his family which which is fair enough a shame for leicester but quite understandable imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 (edited) 35 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said: dont think its inexplicable at all he wants to stand on his own two feet independently of his family which which is fair enough a shame for leicester but quite understandable imo He won't be taking his dads money then? We can all see he's no ordinary kid, his dad has bought a club, presumably with a view to him riding for it only for him to come out with that crap! He's probably on top notch gear and he's also got rent-a-Greg coaching him... that's hardly doing it on your own. Edited April 19 by IainB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 6 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Very harsh. There needs to be a rule that you can't drop rising stars. I don't agree. They are professional speedway rides as such they just like any other professional sportsman have to perform. He's lucky. Due to lack of riders now a days, these boys get a good run. Back in the day, you wouldn't have lasted five meetings with what he was scoring. There would have been at least two second half riders who would have replaced him. As someone else said on here. " Lambs to the slaughter" There shouldn't be a so called rising star in the top league. As for Sam, he's had a fair run if you include last season if you breakdown his scoring from last season. it's not good reading. Hopefully he get his confidence back riding at reserve for Berwick. He has the ability to have a good season at Berwick. I think getting dropped by Leicester will do him a favour in the long run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 6 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I thinks it's harsh & too early for a couple of reasons. 1) Hagon hasn't had any Champ matches yet to compare his form to Gilkes. 2) Leicester "reserved" Hagon as their RS, meaning no other team could secure him in the draft, to then drop him seems odd. To "reserve" Hagon rather than hope someone better was available when it came to their pick, must mean they had a lot of faith in Sam's ability, where has that faith disappeared to? Thought this might happen as soon as they showed Dickson at Oxford vs Poole the other night. Though wasn't Gilkes best meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 30 minutes ago, LisaColette said: Thought this might happen as soon as they showed Dickson at Oxford vs Poole the other night. Though wasn't Gilkes best meeting. He did make a great pass on the last bend in one race though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 7 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Very harsh. There needs to be a rule that you can't drop rising stars. Not like you to talk sense. I expect you did it by accident. Leicester protected him as their RS so no one else could have him. Then drop him straight away once there's nowhere else he can go. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 After seeing Hagon not beating an opponent in his first two rides for Berwick against (statistically) the weakest reserves in the league, I take it back, it was the right time to drop him. I don't know if it's confidence or ability, but best stay away from the Prem for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 6 minutes ago, foreverblue said: He did make a great pass on the last bend in one race though. Unfortunately I’ve never seen Hagon pass anyone in Lion’s colours! It’s definitely the right call for Leicester (what’s to lose?). Whilst I’ve been critical of Hagon, he comes across as a very likeable and upbeat person. I really hope that this hasn’t deterred him and that he continues to race and reach whatever level he can reach. The sport needs him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 2 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: The sport needs him! The sport needs his dad ('s sponsorship ) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Teromaafan said: Unfortunately I’ve never seen Hagon pass anyone in Lion’s colours! It’s definitely the right call for Leicester (what’s to lose?). Whilst I’ve been critical of Hagon, he comes across as a very likeable and upbeat person. I really hope that this hasn’t deterred him and that he continues to race and reach whatever level he can reach. The sport needs him! Yes he is a likeable lad and to be fair Gilkes only passed Starke but looked a great move at the time. I really thought at the start of last season Sam was a great signing for Poole but seemed to falter as the season progressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerryxo Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 3 hours ago, szkocjasid said: After seeing Hagon not beating an opponent in his first two rides for Berwick against (statistically) the weakest reserves in the league, I take it back, it was the right time to drop him. I don't know if it's confidence or ability, but best stay away from the Prem for now. I watched Hagon win the u21s last year, he was like a different rider. Hungry for the win and oozing confidence. A couple of weeks later he had that bad fall at Berwick and smashed his face/ broke his tooth. He didn't ever seem the same after that, could see his confidence getting lower and lower. Such a shame as he has shown his skill and abilities. I really do hope he finds his mojo. Whilst it seems harsh, dropping from RS feels a bit cruel to be kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: I really thought at the start of last season Sam was a great signing for Poole but seemed to falter as the season progressed. after signing for Leicester you mean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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