Leicester v Ipswich 17th April

[Roger Jacobs]

15 hours ago, tyler42 said:

<snip> … As we know he failed to score tonight. It's been a tough start to the season for Sam. Not being nasty, but I think he is out of his depth in this league. He's not the only one. Hume, Killeen, Mulford. Possible Boughen. They have all struggled to score points. …

Hume is not a Rising Star, although at 28 (29 in July) he would fit the Rising Journeyman category that has been suggested.

[Cross Roads]

Feel for Hagon seems a decent kid always talks well and honest post match but clearly step to far in his career at this time, must  be absolute smashing his confidence and no good for the team.
In my opinion needs to be changed for who there are options but are they much better.

This raises the Q is the rising star ran its day in the top league with an annual strength in depth to the league gap is to big.
Would it be an option to offer the rising star in the national/championship next season and with slightly raising the points limit let teams fill how they wish in the premiership either top heavy or spread strength.
Always for the continued development of riders but as they say if good enough in the majority of cases opportunities arise….THOUGHTS..

[IainB]

1 hour ago, Cross Roads said:

Feel for Hagon seems a decent kid always talks well and honest post match but clearly step to far in his career at this time, must  be absolute smashing his confidence and no good for the team.
In my opinion needs to be changed for who there are options but are they much better.

This raises the Q is the rising star ran its day in the top league with an annual strength in depth to the league gap is to big.
Would it be an option to offer the rising star in the national/championship next season and with slightly raising the points limit let teams fill how they wish in the premiership either top heavy or spread strength.
Always for the continued development of riders but as they say if good enough in the majority of cases opportunities arise….THOUGHTS..

In most sports you have to be good enough, irrespective of age... except in British Speedway where it doesn't matter how good you are as long as you meet the Rising Star age criteria. These "protected" age/performance related team spots should be in the CL and not the PL imo. The whole progression system in British Speedway needs a re-write. 

There are a lot of decent kids out there but they just seem to get put through the meat grinder.

[szkocjasid]

30 minutes ago, IainB said:

In most sports you have to be good enough, irrespective of age... except in British Speedway where it doesn't matter how good you are as long as you meet the Rising Star age criteria. These "protected" age/performance related team spots should be in the CL and not the PL imo. The whole progression system in British Speedway needs a re-write. 

There are a lot of decent kids out there but they just seem to get put through the meat grinder.

"except in British speedway" Not exactly true, take Polish Speedway for example, have to have U21 riders at reserve.

"it doesn't matter how good you are" I'd maybe word that differently, the best 7 rising stars (in theory) will be picked, so it does matter how good you are.

The best "rising stars" going by their Champ aves: Flint, Jenkins, Edwards, Boughen, Gilkes, Ablitt & Joe T all have 5+ Champ aves & are at least second strings at Champ level (well they would be if someone signed Ablitt). I'd argue one of the issues is clubs picking riders who aren't the strongest, which could be why Mulford, Killeen & Hagon are struggling. But that's the fault of the team selection, not the RS rules.

You could also argue there are similar issues in the Champ where reserves are picked because they have 2.00 averages rather than because they are good enough. What's to stop the same thing happening in the Prem if the RS system is dropped. No offence to Danyon Hume, but he was picked because Sheffield wanted a strong spearhead.

Get rid of the RS system & you could have the likes of Flint & Jenkins dropped for weaker riders, just because the alternatives are on 3.00 averages. I do think that's one big benefit of the RS system, a 3.99 young Brit has a better chance of gaining a team place than a 2.99 Brit!

 

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, Cross Roads said:

Feel for Hagon seems a decent kid always talks well and honest post match but clearly step to far in his career at this time, must  be absolute smashing his confidence and no good for the team.
In my opinion needs to be changed for who there are options but are they much better.

This raises the Q is the rising star ran its day in the top league with an annual strength in depth to the league gap is to big.

Would it be an option to offer the rising star in the national/championship next season and with slightly raising the points limit let teams fill how they wish in the premiership either top heavy or spread strength.

Always for the continued development of riders but as they say if good enough in the majority of cases opportunities arise….THOUGHTS..

I'm not sure I would say "I feel for Hagon" he wasn't forced into the position, he wanted it. If it's gonna harm his confidence all he has to do is step down & come back up when he's more ready.

As for the RS position, if clubs struggled to fill the positions, then I'd totally agree, get rid of it. But as long as there's riders willing to take the spots, I see no reason to get rid of it.

I know I'm not in the majority from what I read on here. But I'm a massive fan of the RS system.

[SaddlebowRoad]

for me the most important thing is that it prevents number seven positions being taken up by foreign riders who arent up to it

would rather have young brits there

naturally its a bit sink or swim but i think it's the right way to go 

[IainB]

11 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

for me the most important thing is that it prevents number seven positions being taken up by foreign riders who arent up to it

would rather have young brits there

naturally its a bit sink or swim but i think it's the right way to go 

It's sink or swim with a lead weight tied around your ankles though. It's okay having protected heats but there's no restrictions around the rest of the team, except for number 1 and number 6, so a team could have their 2nd best averaged rider riding at number 2 to have the easy pickings of the rising star... Becker, King, Jeppesen, Blodorn, Klindt & Rowe. But it could just add easily be Masters, Sayfutdinov, Zagar, Bewley, Iversen & Chris Holder. Add to that they can be pulled out of their 4th ride and it's no real protection at all. 

[Teromaafan]

54 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

for me the most important thing is that it prevents number seven positions being taken up by foreign riders who arent up to it

would rather have young brits there

naturally its a bit sink or swim but i think it's the right way to go 

The progression of the likes of Brennan and Dan Thompson is down to their ability and not down to the RS system. The system doesn’t even have an age restriction? We’re talking about the top flight of the sport in this country and we’re throwing riders into the lion’s den and then coming up with race formulas in matches to ‘protect’ them. It’s a professional sport with paying customers and the participants have to be good enough. That’s the real world. You can’t say the RS riders need to be given a chance because they are all riding in the second tier. As/when/if they are ready, they can step up.

[Sir Sidney]

45 minutes ago, Teromaafan said:

The progression of the likes of Brennan and Dan Thompson is down to their ability and not down to the RS system. The system doesn’t even have an age restriction? We’re talking about the top flight of the sport in this country and we’re throwing riders into the lion’s den and then coming up with race formulas in matches to ‘protect’ them. It’s a professional sport with paying customers and the participants have to be good enough. That’s the real world. You can’t say the RS riders need to be given a chance because they are all riding in the second tier. As/when/if they are ready, they can step up.

011.2.1 Rising Stars

The criteria for Premiership Rising Stars is as follows: -

• The age limit for Rising Stars is 23 years of age on the 1st of

January of that year

• The Rider must have a Premiership League average of 4.00 or

below

[Teromaafan]

8 hours ago, Sir Sidney said:

011.2.1 Rising Stars

The criteria for Premiership Rising Stars is as follows: -

• The age limit for Rising Stars is 23 years of age on the 1st of

January of that year

• The Rider must have a Premiership League average of 4.00 or

below

Ah, my bad, thanks for that!

[mikebv]

Just run six rider teams in the top league if not enough of the required level of rider..

No RS's, No Makeweight's...

Each race having four riders who actually "have a chance" of winning...

Use the other two divisions for young UK rider development...

Edited April 19 by mikebv