Ipswich v Birmingham 24th April

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53 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

This was a team meeting - the Witches ride as a team. As you know, if you finish behind your teammate are rewarded with a BP, so 8+1 and 7+2 are exactly the same, e.g. a Paid Maximum is the same as a Full Maximum, because the rider has not been defeated by an opponent.

It's clear that you have absolutely no interest, so please just go away.

https://britishspeedway.co.uk/event/42637/

Danny King 10 above Ace Piper 11.

https://britishspeedway.co.uk/event/42636

Steve Worrall 9 above Jake Allen 11

Connor Mountain 8 & Luke Harrison 8 above Zaine Kennedy 9.

https://britishspeedway.co.uk/event/42944/

Ben Morley 9 above Darryl Ritchings 10.

Bye!
 

[Roger Jacobs]

Ouch is now cheerfully ignored 😃

[Roger Jacobs]

8 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

Impartial observer here, but yours seems the bizarre comment.

If a match is balanced to finish 45-45 or 46-44, wouldn't you find 8+1 more valuable than 7+2, if the 8 point rider gets you over the line where the 7 only gets a draw?

Of course 8+1 is better than 7+2.  The bonus points are only for the paypacket.  They don't count towards the match score, nor the riders average.  in both match score and CMA calculation 8 is better than 7.

So sorry, yours is the bizarre comment.

The pay for the second half races wasn't enough for Doyle and Sayfutdinov to take part.  Fair enough.   They're subcontractors and have their own rates in mind.

It's nothing to do with match scores, it's all to do with who scored what to be in the additional races.  It has been explained clearly, even in the Ipswich reports.

The additional event was sponsored by Tru7 Group (the Witches main sponsor), so I'm sure the pay for taking part was worthwhile.

People seem to be finding reasons to criticise for the sake of it.

 

[Aries]

4 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

Ouch is now cheerfully ignored 😃

Welcome to the club. If the rest of the Witches following on here did the same then nobody would respond to his Trolling and he’d soon pi$$ off. 

[PotteringAround]

6 hours ago, Gavan said:

You do I understand that Doyle Emil and Dan all tied on points yes? 
Only one of those could ride in the match races so Doyle and Emil did hear 15 although Emils bike wasn’t working so Tom did it..

It’s not rocket science just seems you want to have a pop for no reason. 
 

 

You do understand Doyle and Sayfutdinov scored 8 points in the match and Thompson scored 7, yes?

They're the points scored in the match.   They're the points that count in the averages.  They're the points by which the BSPA press office rank the top scorers in the points list?

Bonus points are just for the pay packet.

 

But Ipswich have said that Doyle and Sayfutdinov had excuses for ducking out, and giving the place to the next in line.   So I don't see what people are getting their knickers in a twist over.  If I were offered some extra work on top of my main job at a lesser payrate I may well turn it down too.

 

[Colinspeedway]

Changing topic (and not that it makes any difference to the outcome) did anyone else notice the coin toss it sounded like Tobias Musielak called tails and when heads came out Jason Harrold (who I think does a good job) said heads it is and gave Tobi the call who chose 1 and 3. Maybe a case of mishearing/accent. 

[arnieg]

4 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

You do understand Doyle and Sayfutdinov scored 8 points in the match and Thompson scored 7, yes?

They're the points scored in the match.   They're the points that count in the averages.  They're the points by which the BSPA press office rank the top scorers in the points list?

Bonus points are just for the pay packet.

 

But Ipswich have said that Doyle and Sayfutdinov had excuses for ducking out, and giving the place to the next in line.   So I don't see what people are getting their knickers in a twist over.  If I were offered some extra work on top of my main job at a lesser payrate I may well turn it down too.

 

Utter rubbish. Do you think that 1,1,1,1,1 =5 and being on the wrong end of 5 5-1s is as good as 1,1,1,1,1 = 5 and beating five opponents?

All that really matters is how many opposition riders have been beaten.

In the example above, that has generated so much heat and so little light, all three riders had beaten six opponents in their first four rides making their contributions equally valuable.

[therefused]

Ipswich fans on a new level of insanity arguing that 7 is more than 8.

Emil and Doyle just couldn’t be assed to ride just admit it

[Falcon1983]

Alot of people need to get a life by the sounds of it, not wonder this forum is pretty dead 

[Gavan]

48 minutes ago, therefused said:

Ipswich fans on a new level of insanity arguing that 7 is more than 8.

Emil and Doyle just couldn’t be assed to ride just admit it

Another thick idiot has piped up 

Was clearly explained it was points plus bonus points from the 4 programmed rides… understand that???

There was no emphasis on bonus points being worth less or heat wins or any other criteria…. Understand that??

3 riders King Ellis and Brennan all had 10….. understand that???

This left 3 riders on 9…. Doyle , Emil and Dan T…. Understand that???

The fact that 2 of those got 8 and 1 and one for 7 and 2 is irrelevant… but understand that ???

Doyle didn’t want 2 extra races as he has a nasty crash so he offered to do heat 15….. understand that??

Emil was asked to do heat 15 but couldn’t as he only had 1 bike left and he wasn’t happy with it all night… understand that??

Ive had to put understand that after every line because quite clearly some people in this forum are thick and stupid and can’t read 

If bonus points didn’t count for then yes one of Doyle or Emil would have rode……

The sheer stupidity of some apparent speedway fans is mind boggling 

 

[Gavan]

Funny how Jepsen Jensen doesn’t ride in it and no explanation but that’s ok

And it’s not ok for Doyle not to do it with a bashed up body and bike but it seems fine that Jeppesen and Rew can miss out because they slightly under the weather …. 
 

Honestly some fans are hilarious 

[Aries]

1 hour ago, therefused said:

Ipswich fans on a new level of insanity arguing that 7 is more than 8.

Emil and Doyle just couldn’t be assed to ride just admit it

Ahh here he comes the massive pr!ck. why don’t you make up some more lies and Slander claiming the Ipswich fans have been saying things that isn’t true? 

[Steve Irving]

What on earth is going on here this year? There seems to be a free for all against Ipswich and it’s mind boggling. I’ve been on this forum for years and always found the Ipswich contingent on here to be the most easy going and inoffensive group of fans on the entire forum which makes it all the more baffling. One or two are finally starting to snap and don’t blame them. I’m surprised most have kept it dignified for so long! 
 

You’ve had posters like therefused and Teromaafan claiming the Ipswich fans have said they’ve won the title already when none of them have said any such thing, in fact they’ve very much guarded against that and played down their chances!! Daniel Smith claiming pure arrogance from Ipswich last year without a shred of evidence to back it up, none of them came across as “arrogant” whatsoever, and the least said about the Belle Vue contingent the better. 
 

You’re all coming across as immature children who are pis sed off because your teams are crap and Ipswich have clearly built the best team this year by a country mile. 
 

Grow up the lot of you. 

[P T Preece]

This meeting has gone now, nothing can change what happened, its history. I cant believe your stiil debatting it.

[Aries]

5 minutes ago, P T Preece said:

This meeting has gone now, nothing can change what happened, its history. I cant believe your stiil debatting it.

It wasn’t even anything to do with the actual meeting! It was a last minute novelty event to remember a former rider and nobody knew it was even happening until the day before! People are debating the ins and outs of it like it was a crucial GP! Absolutely nuts. If I was Louis I wouldn’t bother in future. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Aries

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

It wasn’t even anything to do with the actual meeting! It was a last minute novelty event to remember a former rider and nobody knew it was even happening until the day before! People are debating the ins and outs of it like it was a crucial GP! Absolutely nuts. If I was Louis I wouldn’t bother in future. 

Exactly and all this debate on the few extra races that were in memory of a former rider is just crazy. I am not a Ipswich fan but I hope they win the league, getting unfair criticism for building a great team and some accusing their fans of arrogance is ridiculous especially considering how last season finished.

[ArchiePelago]

I mistakenly thought that speedway supporters were mostly 'mature'. Certainly, in my experience of many tracks, it is the over 50s that keep attendances up. If you read many of the comments on here, it seems that there are a handful of 'immature' young voices who may not even take in as many meetings in person, yet still consider themselves to be experts and privy to 'the real truth' in all speedway matters. Please, gentlemen (term used loosely), grow up and stick to reasoned debates instead of 'football hooligan' type responses. Back to the speedway.........................

On 4/24/2025 at 11:29 PM, ouch said:

Fair play to Dan T and an Ace display from Tom. Emil & Jason were always going to bail as they have no alliance to Ipswich or Billy being megabucks hired hands. 

Really pleased with another ££££ big witches win, as are the Ipswich “faithful”.

Nobody from the Witches 'bailed'. There was a clear qualification...points scored (incl bonus) in meeting before nominated heat 15. Ipswich riders complied but Brummies top 3 did not.

[ouch]

1 hour ago, ArchiePelago said:

I mistakenly thought that speedway supporters were mostly 'mature'. Certainly, in my experience of many tracks, it is the over 50s that keep attendances up. If you read many of the comments on here, it seems that there are a handful of 'immature' young voices who may not even take in as many meetings in person, yet still consider themselves to be experts and privy to 'the real truth' in all speedway matters. Please, gentlemen (term used loosely), grow up and stick to reasoned debates instead of 'football hooligan' type responses. Back to the speedway.........................

Nobody from the Witches 'bailed'. There was a clear qualification...points scored (incl bonus) in meeting before nominated heat 15. Ipswich riders complied but Brummies top 3 did not.

I’m of the opinion that it wasn’t clear.
https://ipswichwitches.co/raceday-guide-birmingham-h/

Did anyone know the qualification method before parting with their money to attend or watch the stream? If yes and there’s a link to this I’ll happily concede the point. You seem a decent poster, hand on heart how would you read the meaning of “featuring the top scorers from both teams.” I’ve watched this sport for over 50 years and until now I thought I knew what that meant. 

[foreverblue]

3 hours ago, ArchiePelago said:

I mistakenly thought that speedway supporters were mostly 'mature'. Certainly, in my experience of many tracks, it is the over 50s that keep attendances up. If you read many of the comments on here, it seems that there are a handful of 'immature' young voices who may not even take in as many meetings in person, yet still consider themselves to be experts and privy to 'the real truth' in all speedway matters. Please, gentlemen (term used loosely), grow up and stick to reasoned debates instead of 'football hooligan' type responses. Back to the speedway.........................

Nobody from the Witches 'bailed'. There was a clear qualification...points scored (incl bonus) in meeting before nominated heat 15. Ipswich riders complied but Brummies top 3 did not.

Oh dear you have stirred him up again, some people just aren't worth responding to. It is tainting the whole idea of having some races in memory of a much loved ex rider.

[Gavan]

1 hour ago, ouch said:

I’m of the opinion that it wasn’t clear.
https://ipswichwitches.co/raceday-guide-birmingham-h/

Did anyone know the qualification method before parting with their money to attend or watch the stream? If yes and there’s a link to this I’ll happily concede the point. You seem a decent poster, hand on heart how would you read the meaning of “featuring the top scorers from both teams.” I’ve watched this sport for over 50 years and until now I thought I knew what that meant. 

Pillock

Yes we all knew it was the 4 top scorers from each side 

King Ellis and Brennan all qualified

3 other riders all scored a total of 9…. How these were scored was irrelevant it didn’t go on bonus points or heat wins just the total of the 4 programmed rides 

If Doyle and Emil had scored 11 each you may have had a more valid argument ….. 

Any issue with all 3 of Birmingham’s riders not doing it? No didn’t think so 

Dan Bewley pulled out after 1 ride the other week his back hurt …. Yet you expect Doyle coming back from a big injury and having had a crash in the meeting to do 2 match races?? The fact he did heat 15 was a surprise.

And you ask the stupid question about people parting with their money lol…. Don’t think anyone went to the meeting just for the match races moron …..the only annoyance was Jepsen Jensen not bothering when he had looked class all night …. Felt sorry for Voulas Hume and Edwards having to do it when the others pulled out 

You need to be banned 

Edited 12 hours ago by Gavan