IainB Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 Doyley made an error that's all, he's only human, he had to make a split second decision and just got it wrong. Everybody walked away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, IainB said: Doyley made an error that's all, he's only human, he had to make a split second decision and just got it wrong. Everybody walked away. I think I you're being too kind to Doyle, if Ipswich needed a 5-1 or 4-2, you could easily say "he had to make a split second decision and just got it wrong", but with the scores as they were he shouldn't have been trying to squeeze through gaps. I will give him credit for trying to put on a show for the fans, but should've rode like Emil did in the re-run, still trying to win, but not doing anything daft 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 40 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I think I you're being too kind to Doyle, if Ipswich needed a 5-1 or 4-2, you could easily say "he had to make a split second decision and just got it wrong", but with the scores as they were he shouldn't have been trying to squeeze through gaps. I will give him credit for trying to put on a show for the fans, but should've rode like Emil did in the re-run, still trying to win, but not doing anything daft 😉 It was a poor decision and he knows it, however it was a split second decision. Magic made a mistake and slowed up Emil coming out of the bend, Doyle carried a lot of speed running higher in the dirt line and soon as he straightened up you could see he had a lot of speed and with Emil moving over to give magic room, Doyle had to either get off the throttle completely (which could have been deemed the right decision) or cut back to the inside line to avoid hitting Emil on the straight. I think soon as Doyle came into the corner he thought magic and Emil had more speed and would drift out but they clamped down tight and Doyle just had to try and make the best of a bad judgement call. It was all made from the exit of the bend beforehand, people making out like he just completely dive bombed it which isn’t the case. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 22 hours ago, Odds On said: any newbie watching last nights meeting would have bigger questions than Tatums gaff...people on here sitting at home in their y fronts with the Lidl fan on, feet in a bowl of cold water, playing Neil Diamond on repeat on the TDK C90 tape they bought at the car boot sale , with the dog ten stone over weight licking its balls, neighbours next door not answering the door to the old bill, sitting with the laptop on just waiting for a commentators gaff, a riders mistake or a team mangers error.....gotta love us speedway fans haven't with we!!! You sir have won the internet 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 11 hours ago, IainB said: Doyley made an error that's all, he's only human, he had to make a split second decision and just got it wrong. Everybody walked away. That's an eminently sensible analysis. But it only makes sense in an individual meeting such as the GPs. This was a team event. Ipswich only needed 1 (and a bit) points to secure the victory. JD did not need to get involved with his talented team mate in front. The outcome could have been very serious for numerous competitors including himself. A racing brain would have made a split second decision to hold back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, False dawn said: A racing brain would have made a split second decision to hold back. I'd say the exact opposite, a racing (instinctive) brain says (always) go for the gap a tactical (thoughtful) brain says settle for the 3-3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, False dawn said: That's an eminently sensible analysis. But it only makes sense in an individual meeting such as the GPs. This was a team event. Ipswich only needed 1 (and a bit) points to secure the victory. JD did not need to get involved with his talented team mate in front. The outcome could have been very serious for numerous competitors including himself. A racing brain would have made a split second decision to hold back. That’s just him though isn’t it. He’s all in whether team or individual event. That’s just his mindset and the way he’s wired. You have to accept that when you sign him. It’s part of his charm IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, Aries said: That’s just him though isn’t it. He’s all in whether team or individual event. That’s just his mindset and the way he’s wired. You have to accept that when you sign him. It’s part of his charm IMO. I don't know about charm. But i bet there's not a Prem side that wouldn't have him in their team. I certainly would. Emil too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: I don't know about charm. But i bet there's not a Prem side that wouldn't have him in their team. I certainly would. Emil too. You could always swap allegiance and support Ipswich 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 10 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: You could always swap allegiance and support Ipswich 😆 Good grief. I only got back from Hospital, 2 hours ago.. Are ya trying to put me back in..... 😃  1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, Aries said: That’s just him though isn’t it. He’s all in whether team or individual event. That’s just his mindset and the way he’s wired. You have to accept that when you sign him. It’s part of his charm IMO. I don't know whether he did or not but this is where you'd expect the team manager to step in and say we only need a 3-3 so don't idiot it up... from what I've gathered over the years riders often don't know the score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 15 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Good grief. I only got back from Hospital, 2 hours ago.. Are ya trying to put me back in..... 😃  You might even witness a top flight championship winning team too !!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 8 hours ago, IanBrannan said: You sir have won the internet 😂 Is that your standard demographic for BSN? 8 hours ago, False dawn said: That's an eminently sensible analysis. But it only makes sense in an individual meeting such as the GPs. This was a team event. Ipswich only needed 1 (and a bit) points to secure the victory. JD did not need to get involved with his talented team mate in front. The outcome could have been very serious for numerous competitors including himself. A racing brain would have made a split second decision to hold back. Apparently Doyle had anticipated Sayfutdinov getting inside Janowski, but instead the expected gap was closed, and he was carrying too much speed.  Definitely a split-second error, and very fortunate that they all got away with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, IainB said: I don't know whether he did or not but this is where you'd expect the team manager to step in and say we only need a 3-3 so don't idiot it up... from what I've gathered over the years riders often don't know the score The team manager wouldn’t have made a jot of difference. He’s driven, simple as that really. You could argue he doesn’t have the talent of those other world champions, but what he has in abundance, is guts, determination and will to win that the likes of Cameron Heeps (sorry to say it, for all the talent he has/had), just doesn’t have. Admire him, we all should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Aries said: The team manager wouldn’t have made a jot of difference. He’s driven, simple as that really. You could argue he doesn’t have the talent of those other world champions, but what he has in abundance, is guts, determination and will to win that the likes of Cameron Heeps (sorry to say it, for all the talent he has/had), just doesn’t have. Admire him, we all should. Pointless having a team manager there then... there's little else for them to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 6 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Is that your standard demographic for BSN?  No, I always broadcast to strictly ABC1 Financial Times readers with a 2nd home. Enjoying Neil Diamond is acceptable though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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