KL Stars vs L Lions - KO Cup Final 1st Leg - Mon 28th July

[FishersGate]

24 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said:

All Lynn riders will need their gating gloves on in my opinion for the win.

I agree, they need to take an early lead if possible also. With Fricke taking heats 13 and 15 with potentially Masters as his partner I find it hard to see those heats providing any advantages for the stars. 

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, Odds On said:

people predicting that some riders will have x amount of rides etc etc....speedway and sport is never ever that predictable, why not just try and enjoy the event as it unfolds!

Why not do both, predict what the team manager can do to give his team the best chance of winning, then enjoy the racing if you're at the event / watching online?

[castrolargh]

12 hours ago, therefused said:

I know it’s a cup final and you want to see the best riders but if both teams are missing riders of similar averages maybe there is a discussion for a number 8/junior being promoted for the meeting instead of guests 

Exactly what I said on Monday,  one old rule that shouldn't have been dropped

[szkocjasid]

9 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Statistically you shouldn't want a reserve getting his 7th ride in heat 15. If Klindt is the best Star & gets 7 rides before heat 15, then the 2nd & 3rd best riders get an extra ride. If Klindt is in heat 15, the 3rd best rider doesn't get an extra ride.

 

8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

If Klindt is the best rider, why do you want the 3rd best getting an extra ride in heat 15? That's basically giving up the meeting. 

If it is close up to heat 13, we'll need Klindt to have 2 available rides left from 3 heats, one being heat 15.

To go in to heat 15 without your strongest 2 vs Fricke & partner would be absolute madness.

It depends on how the riders are going, if Fricke & Masters are unbeatable, then Klindt may score more in every heat except heats 13 & 15.

Also it could be that Klindt scores 10 from his programmed rides, the next best two score 9 from their programmed rides, the rest score 3 or 4.

In this situation, giving Klindt heat 15 would mean a rider who scored 9 only getting his 4 rides, while a rider who scored 4 gets his 4th ride as Klindt is being saved for heat 15!

That's the basis of my thinking, if a high scoring reserve is one of your top 3 riders, the only way to ensure all of your top 3 get an extra ride is not to use the reserve in heat 15.

If it turns out Klindt is the only Star capable of beating the Lions top 2, then yes out him in 13+15, otherwise I stand by my original idea.

Edited 21 hours ago by szkocjasid

[Odds On]

if Klindt is in heat 15, the tie is already over....ifs, buts and maybe's.

[False dawn]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

With the rest of the team up and down it is often not until the latter stages that you can judge which of the remaining riders should make way for Klindt's extra rides [obviously one is at the expense of the RS, but the others?]

Always assuming of course that Nicolai has a good night. 🤔

[FishersGate]

22 minutes ago, False dawn said:

Always assuming of course that Nicolai has a good night. 🤔

Very true, Kemp apparently has been practicing today at Leicester. I don't expect him to score zero this time round

[False dawn]

4 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

Kemp apparently has been practicing today at Leicester. I don't expect him to score zero this time round

I think Stewart Dickson made his feelings about Drew very clear on air on Monday. If Drew doesn't get the message and respond in a positive way I think he's going to find it a bit sore sitting down until he does. 🥾

[StarBoy]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

If Klindt is on an 18 point maximum after 6 rides, then of course I would use him in heat 15. My plan however would be to use him earlier, ideally to avoid 3 or 4 on the trot. Potentially use him in heat 4 for Harrison?

This would also leave more options later on, depending who is on form?

 

Using him early (heat 4), would mean Harrison would have to go in heat 14. At what could be a critical point in the match, no disrespect to Luke but I wouldn’t want him in heat 14 - unless Rob takes Klindt out of one of his programmes rides and puts Luke in there.

IMO Luke needs to have completed all of his rides by the end of heat 8 with the hope he finishes ahead of Joe T on a couple of occasions. 

[arnieg]

2 hours ago, False dawn said:

Always assuming of course that Nicolai has a good night. 🤔

If he doesn't I suspect Lynn's tactics will be academic as they'll loose by double digits.

[Youhave2minutes]

Lynn ideally lost the chance to take an uncomfortable lead to Leicester, I know an away win is possible as Birmingham overhauled them earlier in the season. However I predict a very comfortable win for the lions.

[szkocjasid]

4 hours ago, StarBoy said:

Using him early (heat 4), would mean Harrison would have to go in heat 14. At what could be a critical point in the match, no disrespect to Luke but I wouldn’t want him in heat 14 - unless Rob takes Klindt out of one of his programmes rides and puts Luke in there.

IMO Luke needs to have completed all of his rides by the end of heat 8 with the hope he finishes ahead of Joe T on a couple of occasions. 

Harrison could go in any heat if he's taken out of heat 4, could even replace an under performing rider (instead of Klindt) for his 3rd ride.

I don't really see the advantage of him finishing his rides by heat 8 tbh, gotta have 3 rides at some point, never really understood the "get his rides out of the way" plan.

Also if Harrison gets his 3 rides early, then the number 3 & 4 riders, can't be replaced by Klindt in 12 or 14 if he is going better - he'd be in the race with them. So a weaker rider could be getting 4 rides, unless Klindt replaces them in their 3rd ride.

Because Lynn have such a solid team, the manager won't know who's only getting 3 rides till well into the match, that's why I would opt for more flexibility (using Klindt in 4)!

I'd say it's a specific Lynn strategy, not many teams have a reserve you expect to get 5,6,7 rides a match.

[StarBoy]

31 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

Harrison could go in any heat if he's taken out of heat 4, could even replace an under performing rider (instead of Klindt) for his 3rd ride.

I don't really see the advantage of him finishing his rides by heat 8 tbh, gotta have 3 rides at some point, never really understood the "get his rides out of the way" plan.

Also if Harrison gets his 3 rides early, then the number 3 & 4 riders, can't be replaced by Klindt in 12 or 14 if he is going better - he'd be in the race with them. So a weaker rider could be getting 4 rides, unless Klindt replaces them in their 3rd ride.

Because Lynn have such a solid team, the manager won't know who's only getting 3 rides till well into the match, that's why I would opt for more flexibility (using Klindt in 4)!

I'd say it's a specific Lynn strategy, not many teams have a reserve you expect to get 5,6,7 rides a match.

I see your point, but again, no disrespect to Luke as he has been doing a fine job and exceeded my expectations, but there is always a chance that an underperforming rider may just turn it on for one heat, something that I wouldn’t expect Luke to do.

To me it just seems too much of a risk to use young Luke late on in meetings, especially when Leicester will have the opportunity to bring Kemp in for Thompson as well. 

[FishersGate]

Based on how we are talking so much about Klindt really shows that if Klindt doesn't score well then Kings Lynn don't have a chance of winning.

[Pauldoveyspeedway]

36 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

Based on how we are talking so much about Klindt really shows that if Klindt doesn't score well then Kings Lynn don't have a chance of winning.

Klindt is riding well at mo but he does tend to have off meeting ...

[StarBoy]

57 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

Based on how we are talking so much about Klindt really shows that if Klindt doesn't score well then Kings Lynn don't have a chance of winning.

They all need to their job for us to stand any chance, not just Klindt. Getting to 46 points is going to be tricky and will require a monumental effort from everyone.

Iversen - 5(3/4)

Lawson - 9(5)

Harris - 7(4)

Nicholls - 4(3/4)

Kvech - 6(4)

Klindt - 13(7)

Harrison - 2(3)

[Daniel Smith]

1 hour ago, FishersGate said:

Based on how we are talking so much about Klindt really shows that if Klindt doesn't score well then Kings Lynn don't have a chance of winning.

The makeup of the team relies on a high scoring reserve. So yes, if Klindt is poor tomorrow night, it's absolutely game over. King's Lynn needs 9 minimum from his programmed rides. With Lawson & Harris having been recent former Lions 8 minimum has to come from them. Can we get 21 from Iversen, Kvech, Nicholls, Harrison & Klindt switches?? Why not, hey??

There is hope for King's Lynn, there is capability in this side to throw an upset.

 

[FishersGate]

1 hour ago, StarBoy said:

They all need to their job for us to stand any chance, not just Klindt. Getting to 46 points is going to be tricky and will require a monumental effort from everyone.

Iversen - 5(3/4)

Lawson - 9(5)

Harris - 7(4)

Nicholls - 4(3/4)

Kvech - 6(4)

Klindt - 13(7)

Harrison - 2(3)

All those scores are very achievable for KL. It's just hoping Masters, Dougy and Fricke have off nights. Leicester nearly won at Lynn with 3 points at reserve. That shows how strong the top 5 is .

[1 valve]

2 hours ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said:

Klindt is riding well at mo but he does tend to have off meeting ...

Well last time around Leicester a few weeks ago riding at 6 he managed 7 points from 7 rides. Guess that’s an off meeting - Stars fans pinning a lot on a greatly improved performance this time around. 

[tellboy]

16 minutes ago, 1 valve said:

Well last time around Leicester a few weeks ago riding at 6 he managed 7 points from 7 rides. Guess that’s an off meeting - Stars fans pinning a lot on a greatly improved performance this time around. 

8+2 way back in May,from 6 rides was when he last rode there.