What will 2026 UK speedway bring?

[mikebv]

2 minutes ago, gjcone44 said:

all you that want the same as last year do you really believe thats going to save the sport. 

Well, to be fair...

Doing the same thing each season after season hasn't done it any harm so far has it?..

[mikebv]

1 minute ago, gjcone44 said:

she would be a nightmare to live with..

She was.  .

[TTT]

2 minutes ago, 1 valve said:

The racing would be rubbish for the most part with a lack of competitive races which would be enough to lose even more fans never mind attract newbies talk about killing two birds with one stone 

I'm now starting to believe that this is no longer about the PREMIERSHIP with a couple of members on here tbh.

I think it's more to do with an Anti-British Speedway ideology and for British Speedway to die, They'll need the worst outcome possible and that's.....

 

1. 5 Man Teams being propped up by 5.00 Pointers and NDL Riders in a 14 Heat Format.

2. Severely unbalanced Racing that see's very experienced British Riders like Harris, Lawson, King and co. threatening to lap NDL Riders multiple times in the same night.

3. NDL Riders competing 6 Times in 1 Night, Instead of the usual 4 (On Average) at NDL Level because they know full well that NDL Attendances are abysmal due to a severe lack of interest in the product.

[gjcone44]

its not about the premiership its about the sport its self in this country, all you are asking for is more of the same. we are virtually saying its going to have to start again. 

[1 valve]

47 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Of course CL teams can ride on Mondays and Thursday's...

Away from home...

They ride on their current normal night at Home.

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday will be the nights of rider clashes with Denmark and Poland, so they just need to do the best they can to avoid as many riders missing as is possible..

I can guarantee  though that a Friday night track would do their utmost to get Brady Kurtz, Jason Doyle, Max Fricke, Jack Holder or Dan Bewley there, but, if they are needed in Poland, and that is the only night you can plan in the fixture, then just use a Guest/RR

The same with the Thursday and Saturday tracks, ideally any rider visiting who rides in Poland's 2nd or 3rd tier is riding Sunday, however, again, if no chance of arranging the meeting for him to be there, then simply use a Guest/RR....

As long as the home ream ensure esch meeting is planned for them to be at "full strength" their crowds should hold up...

 

So what you are proposing is that teams who can’t have home race nights other than Monday or Thursday use guest for away meetings. So just using this year for each weekend meeting.
Gusts required would be. 
Leicester  3
BV 4. 
Ipswich 3 
Sheffield 3. 
Kings Lynn 2 
Now I maybe out by one two but even if the fixtures could be arranged so that only two teams raced Friday, Sat or Sunday, at best seven guests would need to be available. Considering they would be heat leaders there’s absolutely no chance they could be found never mind the (even more) ridicule heaped on the sport with so many riders guesting for other teams. 
I appreciate you say clubs who ride at home Mon & Thurs “Will have to do their best” for away meetings , but that is a cop out for trying to promote a structure that would just not be deliverable.

Edited 3 hours ago by 1 valve

[TTT]

18 minutes ago, gjcone44 said:

its not about the premiership its about the sport its self in this country, all you are asking for is more of the same. we are virtually saying its going to have to start again. 

Because British Speedway is going to die regardless.

British Speedway can't function without the D/UP scheme.

It's Riders like Chris Harris, Richard Lawson, Danny King etc. who keep British Speedway alive by riding for Two different British Clubs in Two different British Leagues every year due to a severe lack of decent riders.

Most foreign Riders simply don't want to ride over here and that's why we're so heavily reliant on the D/UP scheme that keeps PREM & CHAMP clubs functioning.

Once the D/UP scheme collapses then the entire house falls down as we simply don't have enough decent riders to fill 14 Teams and from 2027 we're extremely limited in what British Speedway can do in it's search for Riders.

Two Dozen NDL Riders isn't the solution because the Attendances are atrocious due barely anyone caring and if the current crop of die hard fans don't care about the product, Then why would anyone else care?

Edited 3 hours ago by TTT

[therefused]

28 minutes ago, TTT said:

I'm now starting to believe that this is no longer about the PREMIERSHIP with a couple of members on here tbh.

I think it's more to do with an Anti-British Speedway ideology and for British Speedway to die, They'll need the worst outcome possible and that's.....

 

1. 5 Man Teams being propped up by 5.00 Pointers and NDL Riders in a 14 Heat Format.

2. Severely unbalanced Racing that see's very experienced British Riders like Harris, Lawson, King and co. threatening to lap NDL Riders multiple times in the same night.

3. NDL Riders competing 6 Times in 1 Night, Instead of the usual 4 (On Average) at NDL Level because they know full well that NDL Attendances are abysmal due to a severe lack of interest in the product.

right ive finally convinced myself that you are actually trolling with every post. 

[therefused]

1 minute ago, TTT said:

It's Riders like Chris Harris, Richard Lawson, Danny King etc. who keep British Speedway alive by riding for Two different British Clubs in Two different British Leagues every year due to a severe lack of decent riders.

I would argue its riders like this that have been one of the downfalls of the sport and taking team spots away from younger riders. Where is that stat again with how many young riders have retired over the past few years? 

[WembleyLion]

1 hour ago, RoundTheBoards said:

I want a date with Kylie Minogue.

But the way this dream plays out in my head is very different to the reality of the situation that I have to deal with.

 

42 minutes ago, gjcone44 said:

she would be a nightmare to live with..

Maybe a case of ‘Better the devil you know’ 🙂

[TTT]

It's not even about the PREM with me anymore, It's all about the thing that keeps British Speedway fuctioning (D/UP Scheme)

The D/UP Scheme is that Block in a Jenga Tower that you don't take out because if you do, The whole thing falls down.

[1 valve]

2 minutes ago, therefused said:

I would argue its riders like this that have been one of the downfalls of the sport and taking team spots away from younger riders. Where is that stat again with how many young riders have retired over the past few years? 

“Chris Harris been holding speedway back for years”…….I think I’ve heard it all now.
Definitely number one in my chart of stupid is stupid does statements 

[therefused]

1 minute ago, 1 valve said:

“Chris Harris been holding speedway back for years”…….I think I’ve heard it all now.
Definitely number one in my chart of stupid is stupid does statements 

where did i say that, i said 'riders like this', not 'these riders' 

[TTT]

Going to sound disrespectful to NDL Riders but somebody has to speak the truth instead of lying....So I'll take one for the Team.

 

If all of these NDL Riders that some Fans keep going on about were even half decent, Then why haven't they been snapped up by CHAMP Clubs left, right and center?

 

Why are CHAMP Clubs still opting to use Riders like Paul Starke to fill a reserve berth?

Why are CHAMP Clubs still opting to use 4.00 Newcomers to fill a reserve berth?

 

The simple answer is......Because most of them are No Hopers, Who will never make it in the Sport to a point where even CHAMP Clubs can't be bothered to invest in them.

[YeOldPitGate]

53 minutes ago, TTT said:

I'm now starting to believe that this is no longer about the PREMIERSHIP with a couple of members on here tbh.

I think it's more to do with an Anti-British Speedway ideology and for British Speedway to die, They'll need the worst outcome possible and that's.....

 

1. 5 Man Teams being propped up by 5.00 Pointers and NDL Riders in a 14 Heat Format.

2. Severely unbalanced Racing that see's very experienced British Riders like Harris, Lawson, King and co. threatening to lap NDL Riders multiple times in the same night.

3. NDL Riders competing 6 Times in 1 Night, Instead of the usual 4 (On Average) at NDL Level because they know full well that NDL Attendances are abysmal due to a severe lack of interest in the product.

I don't think that's the case TTT we all have different views.

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that due to being asleep at the wheel for the last forty plus years the day of reckoning has sadly now arrived and there's no easy choices left, its a case of either tough actions that are going to upset plenty of people or option b which is most likely total collapse.

Edited 3 hours ago by YeOldPitGate

[1 valve]

4 minutes ago, therefused said:

where did i say that, i said 'riders like this', not 'these riders' 

Uh? 
you responded to a post from TTT which had stated

“It's Riders like Chris Harris, Richard Lawson, Danny King etc. who keep British Speedway alive”

With

“I would argue its riders like this that have been one of the downfalls of the sport” 

 

[mikebv]

29 minutes ago, 1 valve said:

So what you are proposing is that teams who can’t have home race nights other than Monday or Thursday use guest for away meetings. So just using this year for each weekend meeting.
Gusts required would be. 
Leicester  3
BV 4. 
Ipswich 3 
Sheffield 3. 
Kings Lynn 2 
Now I maybe out by one two but even if the fixtures could be arranged so that only two teams raced Friday, Sat or Sunday, at best seven guests would need to be available. Considering they would be heat leaders there’s absolutely no chance they could be found never mind the (even more) ridicule heaped on the sport with so many riders guesting for other teams. 
I appreciate you say clubs who ride at home Mon & Thurs “Will have to do their best” for away meetings , but that is a cop out for trying to promote a structure that would just not be deliverable.

Tracks which ride Monday and Thursday don't have to if they feel another night is better. 

But. It would mean the "superstars" could still ride...

But at a Championship Team Average..

When they ride Away then, hopefully, all their riders will be there, however, if they are not then just use Guests...

Literally Dozens get used now for the myriad of fixture clashes, so it won't make any difference at all to the credibility of what is being delivered, so you might as well build the system in to support the league structure..

And, as previously mentioned, if a GP star was potentially visiting you then that current Championship team would try everything, fixture date wise, to get him there...

Ride at home on the best night for your business, and ensure your home fixtures get all your riders there..

[Sir Sidney]

13 minutes ago, TTT said:

Going to sound disrespectful to NDL Riders but somebody has to speak the truth instead of lying....So I'll take one for the Team.

 

If all of these NDL Riders that some Fans keep going on about were even half decent, Then why haven't they been snapped up by CHAMP Clubs left, right and center?

 

Why are CHAMP Clubs still opting to use Riders like Paul Starke to fill a reserve berth?

Why are CHAMP Clubs still opting to use 4.00 Newcomers to fill a reserve berth?

 

The simple answer is......Because most of them are No Hopers, Who will never make it in the Sport to a point where even CHAMP Clubs can't be bothered to invest in them.

Yet if those same riders were given opportunities and invested in they would improve dramatically, not gve up, and become the future conveyor belt of talent for the higher echelons of the sport. 

As a Wimbledon supporter brought up on World champions and top internationals, who then saw the team ride in the second tier and in the third tier, I can witness that the entertainment was equally as good in all 3 tiers, and we supported it.

Of course, the NDL was not helped by BSPL deliberately weakening the product, and that would have to be reversed. By the way, I don't agree with your derogatory 'no hoper' comment. In all walks of life there will be people who do not make the grade

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sir Sidney

[Glen]

3 hours ago, Phannan said:

You miss my point. Hopefully by being successful at the highest level you can attract more people through the gate . More sales of merchandise etc. if clubs showed more ambition and operated at the highest level possible, then that league would become more viable, the racing would undoubtedly be better, more teams with better riders. Meaningful success. Improve the sport as a product. Hopefully more attractive for the tv and the ££ that would bring. Clubs dictating to the sport is all wrong. In my opinion. 

That’s what the ‘Elite’ league of 2000 was all about with a Sky tv deal to back it up. The best riders were attracted (of course) because the cash was flowing. Teams became overwhelmingly non U.K. riders - I don’t think Poole had a British rider or maybe one. The then Premier league became the best most U.K. riders could expect - mostly because the standard was much higher at Elite clubs.

It didn’t last of course - it would make me smile when promoters tried to do something about it (reduce team strengths - save money) and all people would say it was watering down the product.

The system then can probably be responsible for the fact that Nichols Harris and the late Lee Richardson were our best riders for donkeys years with not a lot to challenge them.

 

[TTT]

53 minutes ago, therefused said:

I would argue its riders like this that have been one of the downfalls of the sport and taking team spots away from younger riders. Where is that stat again with how many young riders have retired over the past few years? 

Riders like Chris Harris have held British Speedway together for years and that's a FACT!

Young British Riders have retired for multiple reasons.

 

Jack Thomas retired because he got badly injured, Was a decent Talent to be fair.

Ashton Boughen retired because he was a bottle job who even Bomber Harris couldn't get a tune out of despite Ashton being given chances at PREM & CHAMP Level.

Some others have retired because they were out of depth at NDL Level and they finally realised that they were throwing Money down the drain.

Edited 2 hours ago by TTT

[1 valve]

4 minutes ago, therefused said:

where did i say that, i said 'riders like this', not 'these riders' 

Uh? 
you responded to a post from TTT which had stated

“It's Riders like Chris Harris, Richard Lawson, Danny King etc. who keep British Speedway alive”

With

“I would argue its riders like this that have been one of the downfalls of the sport”