William Cairns and Cooper Rushen no longer Rising Stars?

[therefused]

37 minutes ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

Why not? It's basically a cheat code if your club finds a good junior. Who knows, it might even encourage clubs to develop some riders when they see the benefits.

Exactly, it’s typical British speedway attitude where if someone is doing too well something must be done to stop it 

[E I Addio]

3 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

But is there enough riders to go around that fit that criteria?

That’s a good point. If your young “star” doesn’t come up to scratch , or even if he’s injured, and there’s already 14 signed to other clubs it does give you much option to change.

[Sir Sidney]

2 hours ago, Col said:

I see, that rules Kileen out too.

Yes, he's already 21 so wouldn't have qualified for the 2027 scheme in any event

[RoundTheBoards]

2 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

Why not? It's basically a cheat code if your club finds a good junior. Who knows, it might even encourage clubs to develop some riders when they see the benefits.

I'm glad you don't set the rules.

You really think that if a 19-tear-old Rising Star hits a 10.5 average and wins the British Final, he should be allowed to start the following season still as a Rising Star, at reserve, with his 10.5 average not counting in the team building average?

 

Edited 11 hours ago by RoundTheBoards

[Fromafar]

I can’t figure where these rising stars are coming from,will they be totally out of there depth or are we looking at Foreign U/21 riders to fill spots ?

[PhilTheAce]

9 hours ago, Fromafar said:

I can’t figure where these rising stars are coming from,will they be totally out of there depth or are we looking at Foreign U/21 riders to fill spots ?

its riders like

jody scott

vinnie foord

ryan ingram

freddy hodder

ashton vale

jordy loftus

senna summers

 

riders like that, and no disrespect to them, they are no where near prem level sadly, it wont do there confidence any good this, you just hope being around better riders is enough to improve them,

 

[mikebv]

2 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

its riders like

jody scott

vinnie foord

ryan ingram

freddy hodder

ashton vale

jordy loftus

senna summers

 

riders like that, and no disrespect to them, they are no where near prem level sadly, it wont do there confidence any good this, you just hope being around better riders is enough to improve them,

 

And if any are missing on international duty or get injured, they can only be replaced by a rider on the RS list but not attached to a team...

Looking at the list above, most of whom will be attached to a team, their replacements will really struggle...

And, as yet, it doesn't appear too many foreign U21 riders have been mentioned so we could end up with more UK U21 riders at number six...

How much will it be to watch? £30 or so next season....??

[Fozzie4388]

7 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

its riders like

jody scott

vinnie foord

ryan ingram

freddy hodder

ashton vale

jordy loftus

senna summers

 

riders like that, and no disrespect to them, they are no where near prem level sadly, it wont do there confidence any good this, you just hope being around better riders is enough to improve them,

 

They really have messed with the RS system, these lot are only just good enough to be number 7s (apart from Scott) in the championship never mind Premiership. Just shows how crap the youth system in Britain apart from a handful (Cairns, Rushen, Harrison and Scott) 

[mikebv]

Could Ashton Boughen be tempted back as a Number Six given the level he will be racing against...?

 

[mikebv]

3 minutes ago, Fozzie4388 said:

They really have messed with the RS system, these lot are only just good enough to be number 7s (apart from Scott) in the championship never mind Premiership. Just shows how crap the youth system in Britain apart from a handful (Cairns, Rushen, Harrison and Scott) 

And lads that have progressed through the scheme, and would be ideal for a No6 position, will now struggle to get a job...

The purpose of the scheme wasnt to find World Champs, it is to find more "OK" UK riders to take spots in teams, with several lads now who could do that...

Still, as long as the UK make Poland happy....

(Again)...

[ouch]

William should be on that list but for some reason they changed the cut off from 4 to 3.50 leaving him as first reserve at Ipswich, where success is demanded and failure rewarded with the exit door. 

Jody Scott finished above Cairns in the U19 with Loftus and Ingram only a couple of points behind in the qualifiers. Jody finished above Cairns in the U21 as did Ace Piper who also outscored him at the British final and that was on Cairns home track.

Going off these facts some of the lads are as capable as Cairns whilst occupying the easier number 7 slot. 

[Aries]

11 minutes ago, mikebv said:

And lads that have progressed through the scheme, and would be ideal for a No6 position, will now struggle to get a job...

The purpose of the scheme wasnt to find World Champs, it is to find more "OK" UK riders to take spots in teams, with several lads now who could do that...

Still, as long as the UK make Poland happy....

(Again)...

Isn’t that what this is going to help with though? That list doesn’t inspire but maybe that’s the whole point. Ask the younger riders at Ipswich who they looked up to and learnt from the last few years and they’ll tell you Jason Doyle and Emil Sayfutdinov. Those Championship supporters who pipe up with the old tired “most of the Premiership riders ride in the Championship” stuff, yes they do, but it’s those few genuine world class riders that the Championship doesn’t have that these youngsters will learn the most from. 
 

Stick Vinnie Foord in the pit bay next to Jason Doyle next year for example. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Aries

[PersonalResponsibility]

11 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said:

I'm glad you don't set the rules.

You really think that if a 19-tear-old Rising Star hits a 10.5 average and wins the British Final, he should be allowed to start the following season still as a Rising Star, at reserve, with his 10.5 average not counting in the team building average?

 

Yes, precisely that. It works fine in Poland, that's why they produce tens and tens of riders, looking for the next junior who can get them success. That's not the British way though, as we've seen with previous mid-season rule changes when riders were doing 'too well', and probably why we produce 1 or 2 good riders in a generation.

[mikebv]

57 minutes ago, Aries said:

Isn’t that what this is going to help with though? That list doesn’t inspire but maybe that’s the whole point. Ask the younger riders at Ipswich who they looked up to and learnt from the last few years and they’ll tell you Jason Doyle and Emil Sayfutdinov. Those Championship supporters who pipe up with the old tired “most of the Premiership riders ride in the Championship” stuff, yes they do, but it’s those few genuine world class riders that the Championship doesn’t have that these youngsters will learn the most from. 
 

Stick Vinnie Foord in the pit bay next to Jason Doyle next year for example. 

Agree with that, don't agree that lads who have been developed to No6 level then get left out...

These lads could be second strings in two or three year years of further development, instead we will end up no doubt bringing over loads more journeymen foreign lads just like has happened for decades.. 

And the UK lads then leave the sport, just like has happened for decades..

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said:

its riders like

jody scott

vinnie foord

ryan ingram

freddy hodder

ashton vale

jordy loftus

senna summers

 

riders like that, and no disrespect to them, they are no where near prem level sadly, it wont do there confidence any good this, you just hope being around better riders is enough to improve them,

 

This looks like very lack of thought idea,these riders named are certainly not anywhere near Premiership level.6-Teams with very weak reserves doesn’t make very good reading.

[Aries]

5 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Agree with that, don't agree that lads who have been developed to No6 level then get left out...

These lads could be second strings in two or three year years of further development, instead we will end up no doubt bringing over loads more journeymen foreign lads just like has happened for decades.. 

And the UK lads then leave the sport, just like has happened for decades..

But these lads you’re talking about have already had three or four years benefitting from the rising star scheme haven’t they? How much longer should you give them?

They all get 25% knocked off their averages to help them retain places, and if they don’t get them, continue to ride in the Championship and prove that the experience of riding in the top flight has been fruitful. Those with the talent will then get that opportunity to step back up again but they have to prove they’re good enough. 
 

Whatever they do, whatever rules or changes they make either now or in the future won’t be universally popular will it. It will always be picked apart by people. 
 

It is what it is.