Haza 1,774 Posted June 12, 2014 Sorry to say Cook has reached his level that is PL lacks ambition or he'd dump the PL and ride in Sweden and Poland Barker is another levelled out . Also how can Cook captain the Aces when's he's missing so often ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted June 12, 2014 I'll be the first to admit I thought this match would have been much closer than this, was expecting Belle Vue to push the Brummies' all the way. It is good to see Birmingham perform well and get a good result.. I thought BV could be contenders for the Play-off's but some of their riders have to up their game, else they're season could be finish as 'also-ran's ' again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semion 2,192 Posted June 12, 2014 I feel Belle Vue have been the seasons under acheivers thus far. I would have had them nailed on for top 4 with the line-up they had on paper. I guess one or 2 riders have gone backwards instead of the predicted forwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marko 956 Posted June 12, 2014 Watching via bet 365 gives a good chance to see action from other tracks over a period of time, meets from Perry Bar I have personally found to be as entertaining as any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy jimmy 298 Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Cookie averaging 9.5 at home and 4.25 away at the moment, overall 6.33. The problem is we have had 5 home matches and 10 away matches, of which he has missed 4. I am not sure if you can do this, but probably need to swap Scott and Cookie riding positions for away matches, unless Scott was promised number 5 home and away?? Edited June 12, 2014 by jimmy jimmy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted June 12, 2014 It's a difficulty for promoters when it comes to track prep, especially against an Aces side. Do you prepare it for a home win to please the die hard fans or do you prepare it for entertainment value but risk losing and then see those fans drift away. The former will never attract new fans whilst the latter could see your core support hit. At the end of the day it's a redundant discussion as if the home fans are happy then they pay their entrance and the club continue to operate. The feelings of a handful of visiting fans from a business point of view is neither here or there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) I feel Belle Vue have been the seasons under acheivers thus far. I would have had them nailed on for top 4 with the line-up they had on paper. I guess one or 2 riders have gone backwards instead of the predicted forwards. I think we all did! But then you just know BV will always finish a couple of positions lower than loks likely while Poole will alays finish a few higher. It's the Morton/Ford effect. Disappointed with Scott Nicholls too, only one race win at a track he has gone well at previously. Also threw a tantrum at the start marshall after he told him to move over, then got off his bike to do some gardening when the other 3 riders are at the tapes ready to race. Clearly delayed the start of the race and should have been excluded. All the delaying did is make the refs mind up when he went down on bend 1. That was all for back 50% of the time but after his playing games he already had a black mark next to his name Cookie averaging 9.5 at home and 4.25 away at the moment, overall 6.33. The problem is we have had 5 home matches and 10 away matches, of which he has missed 4. I am not sure if you can do this, but probably need to swap Scott and Cookie riding positions for away matches, unless Scott was promised number 5 home and away?? The number 5 does have a very slightly harder programme so maybe looking to move him would help, but not by a lot tbh. Especially as Cook is very much all or nothing. Edited June 12, 2014 by SCB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser McHuge 589 Posted June 12, 2014 It's a difficult one for Cook...he cannot just ride in the Elite League as there are not enough meetings so he needs extra meetings so I'm sure he'd love to race in Sweden and Poland as well.....but that is often easier said than done......you need contacts and a good negotiator ....and he is not a big name over there so is highly unlikely to attract the attention of a lot of clubs or get a particuarly attractive deal off the few that might be interested....it's not easy to get a foot in the door in the first place England could do with more test matches abroad for riders like Cook to put themselves into the European market...and a really impressive World Cup or Grand Prix run will help...until that happens I think he is stuck doubling up as it's probably his best option now, although Belle Vue and Edinburgh are hardly great training for meetings on the big European circuits where he might catch the eye of foreign leagues Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bellevueace 913 Posted June 12, 2014 I feel Belle Vue have been the seasons under acheivers thus far. I would have had them nailed on for top 4 with the line-up they had on paper. I guess one or 2 riders have gone backwards instead of the predicted forwards. That's a good summing up of the season so far, as regards to cook riding abroad he stated at the start of the season the cost of doing so was prohibitive for him. Remaining in the PL is detrimental to his career. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,256 Posted June 12, 2014 All the delaying did is make the refs mind up when he went down on bend 1. That was all for back 50% of the time but after his playing games he already had a black mark next to his name That's exactly what I said at the time, I think his antics at start lane swayed the referee decision as he was definitely clipped by King going into first bend. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guitar_art 247 Posted June 12, 2014 That's exactly what I said at the time, I think his antics at start lane swayed the referee decision as he was definitely clipped by King going into first bend. No he wasnt. (I stand on the first bend of the centre green so am a lot closer than anyone else.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,256 Posted June 12, 2014 No he wasnt. (I stand on the first bend of the centre green so am a lot closer than anyone else.) I was stood on first bend and there was definitely contact, not much but enough unsettle Nicholls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProudtobeaBrummie 646 Posted June 12, 2014 Rob b u make me laugh clearly no contact get over it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted June 12, 2014 That's a good summing up of the season so far, as regards to cook riding abroad he stated at the start of the season the cost of doing so was prohibitive for him. Remaining in the PL is detrimental to his career. Can't see him being any good riding abroad he's just not got the skill level ....is not so much the lack of points it's the manner of how he rides 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrMungo 708 Posted June 12, 2014 Cook has an excellent technique for the tight, technical tracks but it's always going to be a little more difficult on the pacier tracks. It's not so much of an issue for him in the PL when he's a bike length in front by 1st bend and can command the race from there on, but in the EL, and in the new format, there's no hiding place for guys like him. A few heat leaders struggled earlier on and were able to turn the corner (Schlein springs to mind), and for BV's sake, they'll be hoping he can do the same. There's little point replacing him at this stage of the season as there's so many more home meetings to complete, which is his strength. As for next year, he probably needs a move to a bigger track, lose the PL, and try to get some rides abroad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
