Col 854 Posted November 4, 2016 I'm no mathematician, but EL only rider converting to PL * 1.4 averages.. Looks stupid. Is there a limit, of say 11.00, because even Jason Doyle, NKI or Chris Holder on top form cannot average above 12.00. Zagar 7.48 10.472 Fricke 6.94 9.716 Kasprzak 7.91 11.074 Harris 6.62 9.268 Woryna 4.65 6.51 Iversen 9.02 12.628 Batchelor 4.96 6.944 Jonsson 8.45 11.83 Nilsson 6.84 9.576 Bridger 5.94 8.316 Korneliussen 6.04 8.456 Schlien 5.9 8.26 Swiderski 5.2 7.28 Mear 3.65 5.11 Hougaard 6.22 8.708 Wozniak 5.91 8.274 Walasek 5.45 7.63 Ulamek 6.6 9.24 Watt 5.4 7.56 Holder 8.58 12.012 B Pedersen 6.9 9.66 Andersen 7.15 10.01 Kurtz 6.4 8.96 Buczkowski 6.09 8.526 Ellis 5.56 7.784 Doyle 9.78 13.692 Morris 6.89 9.646 Sedgeman 5.69 7.966 Lindgren 7.21 10.094 Thorsell 7.06 9.884 Kylmakorpi 6.68 9.352 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted November 4, 2016 I'm no mathematician, but EL only rider converting to PL * 1.4 averages.. Looks stupid. Is there a limit, of say 11.00, because even Jason Doyle, NKI or Chris Holder on top form cannot average above 12.00. Zagar 7.48 10.472 Fricke 6.94 9.716 Kasprzak 7.91 11.074 Harris 6.62 9.268 Woryna 4.65 6.51 Iversen 9.02 12.628 Batchelor 4.96 6.944 Jonsson 8.45 11.83 Nilsson 6.84 9.576 Bridger 5.94 8.316 Korneliussen 6.04 8.456 Schlien 5.9 8.26 Swiderski 5.2 7.28 Mear 3.65 5.11 Hougaard 6.22 8.708 Wozniak 5.91 8.274 Walasek 5.45 7.63 Ulamek 6.6 9.24 Watt 5.4 7.56 Holder 8.58 12.012 B Pedersen 6.9 9.66 Andersen 7.15 10.01 Kurtz 6.4 8.96 Buczkowski 6.09 8.526 Ellis 5.56 7.784 Doyle 9.78 13.692 Morris 6.89 9.646 Sedgeman 5.69 7.966 Lindgren 7.21 10.094 Thorsell 7.06 9.884 Kylmakorpi 6.68 9.352 Awesome list. There needs to be some limit, because otherwise there is going to be huge changes because Doyle and Holder are not going to score 13 points a meeting. They could lose about 3 points off there averages which means we could see huge transfers through the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,363 Posted November 4, 2016 Perhaps Heat Leaders should keep their starting average for the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambo 1,341 Posted November 4, 2016 Awesome list. There needs to be some limit, because otherwise there is going to be huge changes because Doyle and Holder are not going to score 13 points a meeting. They could lose about 3 points off there averages which means we could see huge transfers through the season. If 50 points is the initial Declaration Limit then I would suggest that somewhere around 42.5 would be the re-declaring limit. The only problem is what if a rider who has achieved a 'real' average (after 4H & 4A?) gets injured and you need to replace him with a new rider whos average is EL x 1.4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 4, 2016 Tbh what they should have done is converted PL averages upwards so that there could have been a realistic limit of 42 points that could have been retained for the season. As it is, I dont see an issue with Doyle being on a 13.5. yes he will likely drop 2.5 points on that. But the average team will drop 8 points, and a quality number one is still worth investing in given they will take 5 rides If 50 points is the initial Declaration Limit then I would suggest that somewhere around 42.5 would be the re-declaring limit. The only problem is what if a rider who has achieved a 'real' average (after 4H & 4A?) gets injured and you need to replace him with a new rider whos average is EL x 1.4. The commonsense approach would be they come in on a 1.2 multiplier or something like that to refleck that the league is of a lower standard than last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,780 Posted November 4, 2016 I hope this has been thought through re changes after the first green sheets otherwise we could see huge disparities between team strengths which would be no good for the league at all. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirates Of Poole 761 Posted November 4, 2016 Some of the averages are incorrect, Holder is 8.95, Batch and Kurtz too all slightly higher. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) If 50 points is the initial Declaration Limit then I would suggest that somewhere around 42.5 would be the re-declaring limit. The only problem is what if a rider who has achieved a 'real' average (after 4H & 4A?) gets injured and you need to replace him with a new rider whos average is EL x 1.4. If past decisions are anything to go by I doubt if they have thought of that. I can also see teams keeping their scores down for the the first month or two. Edited November 4, 2016 by A ORLOV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superguest 194 Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) If past decisions are anything to go by I doubt if they have thought of that. I can also see teams keeping their scores down for the the first month or two. Imo they will have to come in on their starting average which is set by the BSPA for all riders in January. As teams will race 4h 4a at different times, the limit should drop once all have achieved that. Maybe put a deadline of June 15th or something. Or even 3h 3a for all. Then allow a window for changes up until 31st July. Edited November 4, 2016 by superguest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GregoryM 85 Posted November 4, 2016 If past decisions are anything to go by I doubt if they have thought of that. I can also see teams keeping their scores down for the the first month or two. That would make it interesting. There are 90 points to be scored between the two teams in a match, so are we going to see some mysterious engine failures and a few 5-0s and 3-2s if both teams in the same match are trying to keep their scores down? Some clubs may be disadvantaged too on making team changes. If one team finds themselves having the odd rain off or two and end up being the last team to have raced enough matches in order to re-declare, their preferred replacement rider(s) may already have gone elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miadfa8 14 Posted November 4, 2016 This is from Chris louis on the Ipswich website that clears up how converted averages will work: The former two-times British champion believes the new ‘one average’ based on Premier League figures brings a common ground between the two leagues. “It brings a commonality in terms of team building in both leagues and then the conversion figure will be adjusted in May when they are both up and running and we can see what it is. It was a team building formula and its simple and it works and that’s why they are going to Premier League averages so that everything is done the same way. “It had to be done because the previous Elite League format had confused the averages and they needed to fall in line with Premier League averages. Furthermore, the base average is now two as opposed to three and the number seven rider has to be British but does not have to be a two pointer in our league.” The current Sky Sports pundit is also pleased that team changes will not be permitted after July 31 saying the new system is more in line with other sports. “What Poole did at the end of the season didn’t look morally right and what Peterborough did in a bid to make the play-offs didn’t look right to me. Had they (Peterborough) have made the play-offs and then succeeded and did well, that wasn’t the team that had got them there and done well. We’re trying to make that fairer and other sports do it with transfer windows so I’m happy with that change.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col 854 Posted November 4, 2016 Some of the averages are incorrect, Holder is 8.95, Batch and Kurtz too all slightly higher. If they are incorrect then they were taken from the BSPA website. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reviresco 708 Posted November 4, 2016 If they are incorrect then they were taken from the BSPA website. Chris Holder's average was 8.58 but moved to 8.95 with effect from 03 October 2016 which would be his starting CMA for 2017 before the x 1,4 Conversion making his opening CMA for Team Building 12.53. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 4, 2016 This is from Chris louis on the Ipswich website that clears up how converted averages will work: The former two-times British champion believes the new ‘one average’ based on Premier League figures brings a common ground between the two leagues. “It brings a commonality in terms of team building in both leagues and then the conversion figure will be adjusted in May when they are both up and running and we can see what it is. It was a team building formula and its simple and it works and that’s why they are going to Premier League averages so that everything is done the same way. “It had to be done because the previous Elite League format had confused the averages and they needed to fall in line with Premier League averages. Furthermore, the base average is now two as opposed to three and the number seven rider has to be British but does not have to be a two pointer in our league.” The current Sky Sports pundit is also pleased that team changes will not be permitted after July 31 saying the new system is more in line with other sports. “What Poole did at the end of the season didn’t look morally right and what Peterborough did in a bid to make the play-offs didn’t look right to me. Had they (Peterborough) have made the play-offs and then succeeded and did well, that wasn’t the team that had got them there and done well. We’re trying to make that fairer and other sports do it with transfer windows so I’m happy with that change.” ok, good that at least they thought about the impact. But you could work out now a suitable conversion method, would take a couple of hours. Waiting until mid season is a recipe for manipulation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bradford Ace 183 Posted November 4, 2016 Had anyone clarified what happens if someone has a season ending injury after July 31st?? For example, Swindon lose Doyle on 1st August next year - do they have to use r/r for rest of season?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
