Lukas 911 Posted June 24, 2017 Interesting to read in last night's program about Panthers lodging a protest over Shane's appearance for Sheffield last Sunday..and they fully expect to get the result overturned 👍. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hans fan 1,001 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) Interesting to read in last night's program about Panthers lodging a protest over Shane's appearance for Sheffield last Sunday..and they fully expect to get the result overturned . be interesting to know what SCB thinks of the rules Edited June 24, 2017 by hans fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheScotsman 2,483 Posted June 24, 2017 Vatcher only dives out 4 pointers. So Panters might get a bonus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted June 24, 2017 Dont see there is any grounds for it at first thought. All team line up protests have to be made potentially days prior to the meeting start. I await Neil to inform us of reg 201.35 sub section 4 paragraph 3 that New Cross used in 1955 for a similar successful protest 😛 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PE7Panther 331 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) Dont (sic) see there is (sic) any grounds for it at first thought. All team line up protests have to be made potentially days prior to the meeting start. I await Neil to inform us of reg 201.35 sub section 4 paragraph 3 that New Cross used in 1955 for a similar successful protest Eh? How can protests be made "potentially" days before the meeting? They either do have to be made a prescribed number of days beforehand, or they don't. I suspect that you meant you're not sure, so "maybe" or "perhaps" or "possibly" or even "I think" would make more sense. Shame your mangled English spoiled your clumsy attempt at a snidey little pop at Panthers/Neil Watson. Edited June 24, 2017 by PE7Panther Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted June 24, 2017 what are they protesting about , the price of a good handbag ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lukas 911 Posted June 24, 2017 Seemed to be pretty clear cut from what I read..2 rules had been broken..a 2 point plus rider replacing a 2pt rider who was witholding his services.. although is it 2 weeks now or 4?(ref Auty). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted June 24, 2017 Eh? How can protests be made "potentially" days before the meeting? They either do have to be made a prescribed number of days beforehand, or they don't. I suspect that you meant you're not sure, so "maybe" or "perhaps" or "possibly" or even "I think" would make more sense. Shame your mangled English spoiled your clumsy attempt at a snidey little pop at Panthers/Neil Watson. Used the word potentially as it depends when the rider is announced. The protest has to be made in specific timescales. It could be hours before the meeting but only if a change is made on the day. No intention at a snidey remark about Neil (note the smiley). Infact I fully respect his knowledge as he is invariably correct with his information particularly about the regulations. So quite the opposite. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,638 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) Think this is the relevant rule: 3.9 Procedure and Time Limits for Protests to the BSPA MC, limited to Team Notifications Art. 16.4.4. a) A Protest must be in writing, relate to a single issue only, be accompanied by the correctfee and signed by the person directly affected. b] A Protest against the legality of a Team Line-Up within the following timescale: i) For Team Line-Ups notified / changed at any time up to 28 hours before the MeetingStart Time, a Protest must be lodged at least 24 hours prior to the Meeting start Time. ii) For Team Line-Ups notified less than 28 hours before the Meeting Start Time, a Protestmust be lodged within 4 hours of the notification being made, and in all cases, no laterthan 2 hours prior to the Meeting start Time And: 3.8.1No Protest can be lodged against a Statement of Fact; these are specifically: a) A Referee’s ruling on a heat result (Art 15.10)b] A Referee’s ruling on a Technical matter (Article 10).c) A BSPA ruling on a rider’s (re) Grading/Assessed MA (Art 16.2.2)d) A BSPA / BSPA MC Member’s ruling on a Team Line-Up, prior to the start of a Meetinge) A Referee’s ruling on a Team Line-Up, prior to the start of a Meeting, if not ruled at Art 3.8.1 (d) So the protest must have been made before the meeting. It must therefore have been ruled on by MC/referee Once ruled on it was a non-appealable 'statement of fact' Looks like Panthers will struggle with this one to me. BTW what is the basis of the protest re Shanes eligibility? Edited June 24, 2017 by arnieg 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,065 Posted June 24, 2017 Seemed to be pretty clear cut from what I read..2 rules had been broken..a 2 point plus rider replacing a 2pt rider who was witholding his services.. although is it 2 weeks now or 4?(ref Auty). Shanes was on a 2.00 then though and what's the second rule allegedly broken? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted June 24, 2017 Seemed to be pretty clear cut from what I read..2 rules had been broken..a 2 point plus rider replacing a 2pt rider who was witholding his services.. although is it 2 weeks now or 4?(ref Auty). That could make some sense. Did the piece say when the protest was made? Was it prior to the meeting in line with the set timescales? If so Shanes should not have been allowed to ride if that was decided to be the correct position. If the protest wasn't within the required timescale then it shouldn't be successful even if Shanes was illegal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lukas 911 Posted June 24, 2017 Something to do with JPB's availability I believe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
victor meldrew 7 Posted June 24, 2017 So what was Shanes Championship average on the day of the meeting ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted June 24, 2017 I'd argue that Shane's wasn't eligible. JPB isn't withholding his services so no guest is allowed (if he was he'd get a ban and not be riding for Birmingham). Shanes is not a NL guest as he's riding in the Premiership. But as pointed out, appeal have to be made before the meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted June 24, 2017 Dont see there is any grounds for it at first thought. All team line up protests have to be made potentially days prior to the meeting start. I await Neil to inform us of reg 201.35 sub section 4 paragraph 3 that New Cross used in 1955 for a similar successful protest 😛 new cross never ran in 1955!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites