noggin 1,388 Posted October 18, 2017 With respect, that's a load of old tosh. Belle Vue brought in Rohan Tungate - beating Swindon to his signature. Swindon changed one position - the same as Belle Vue. They couldn't get Tungate so went with a second choice - who turned out to be better due to an old EL average rather than a second division one. Everyone had a giggle when we took both Doyle and Ellis on bad averages, pretty much having us relegated, we weathered the storm and like every other team had the option to make changes within the rules, Musielak was available to anyone, Swindon took a chance to keep their season going. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.V 72 1,054 Posted October 18, 2017 Sorry have not had time to read the whole thread so do not know if this has been mentioned But how crazy is it that a team that finishes bottom of the league get a trophy yet the team that tops the league gets sod all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted October 18, 2017 Sorry have not had time to read the whole thread so do not know if this has been mentionedBut how crazy is it that a team that finishes bottom of the league get a trophy yet the team that tops the league gets sod all. Although, technically, they didn't get the trophy for finishing bottom. They got it for winning the tie, as did the team that came top. If someone wants to put a trophy up for any meeting, I don't see what the problem is. The trophy was probably put up by someone and may have been separate to the relegation issue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheReturn 1,724 Posted October 18, 2017 Yes the clowns were commentating (well shouting) Sshh.. we are not allowed to be critical of Pearson on this forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj350z 2,266 Posted October 18, 2017 Sshh.. we are not allowed to be critical of Pearson on this forum. Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waytogo28 2,054 Posted October 18, 2017 Because he is the Voice That Matters as far as the paymasters are concerned, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ytsejam 312 Posted October 18, 2017 Why? It upsets his "fan boys" in here!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terry 1,319 Posted October 18, 2017 Because he is the Voice That Matters as far as the paymasters are concerned, Very much so.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted October 18, 2017 Very much so.. Here we go then . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Scrutton 180 Posted October 18, 2017 A lot of sense from GRW123.about the season and the build up of some teams. about time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted October 19, 2017 With respect, that's a load of old tosh. Belle Vue brought in Rohan Tungate - beating Swindon to his signature. Swindon changed one position - the same as Belle Vue. They couldn't get Tungate so went with a second choice - who turned out to be better due to an old EL average rather than a second division one. Apologises about Belle Vue, I must admit Sedgman had slipped my mind. At the start of the year, I expected better from both Sedgman and Tungate, I thought they would out perform other more established names... But we look back and see both were disappointing. Tungate was supposed to be one of Somerset's big hitters. His points were that bad he was able to sign for Belle Vue as a second string. This wasn't a big success and it was only in later months did he start scoring points... If as you have said, Swindon had signed Tungate, I doubt whether they would have been as successful as they were. The signing of Musielak was without doubt the masterstroke, and if you had acquired Tungate, then probably the talented pole wouldn't have been an option. Some will say Rosco performed a miracle, in getting Musielak, a young talented Polish heatleader, on a 4 average. but in reality it made a mockery of every other riders average... and from that point Swindon were on a different planet... So yes, apologies again for that oversight, Looking back at the BV swap, to me, it was like for like. But the signing of Musielak was a game changer.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted October 19, 2017 Ah, hindsight wisdom, GRW123! Musielak proved a brilliant signing in the end but it was not a certainty. He hadn't ridden in the UK since 2015 when he was signed by Wolves on an assessed 6.5 but dropped to a true finishing average of 4.53. Wolves didn't see enough in him to sign him for 2016 or 2017 and wanted to sell him rather than keep him as an asset. And no other club wanted him in either season! Plus, Swindon were at a disadvantage from the outset because all of Belle Vue's riders had a chance of achieving their starting averages but Doyle could not achieve 13.41! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reliant Robin 492 Posted October 19, 2017 Ah, hindsight wisdom, GRW123! Musielak proved a brilliant signing in the end but it was not a certainty. He hadn't ridden in the UK since 2015 when he was signed by Wolves on an assessed 6.5 but dropped to a true finishing average of 4.53. Wolves didn't see enough in him to sign him for 2016 or 2017 and wanted to sell him rather than keep him as an asset. And no other club wanted him in either season! Plus, Swindon were at a disadvantage from the outset because all of Belle Vue's riders had a chance of achieving their starting averages but Doyle could not achieve 13.41! Plus at the time of signing Musielak, the points building limit had dropped to 42 points rather than the original 50 point limit built to which took account of the 1.2 multiplier to bring the league's averages into line. For example, at the time of signing Musielak, Poole had Zengota in their declared 1-7 on his 2016 7.79 average. They didn't have any wiggle room to change things with a 42 point limit, but Swindon did and made the most of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted October 19, 2017 Also worth pointing out, of course, that Belle Vue were up near the top of the league when they made changes - and sacked a rider who was riding well to bring in Tungate on what they hoped was a false average, sacking a rider who was riding well to do that. Swindon's changes were brought in when they were struggling to beat an egg, and Musielak was brought in to a troubled position that had struggled for points all season, resulting in poor old Swindon being near the bottom of the table much to everyone's amusement. Having said that, though, Musielak's 4.53 average worked in our favour as it was achieved in a stronger league. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted October 19, 2017 I've said for years now that with the play offs in place the best way to win them is by losing early doors thus reducing the team average then strengthen back up before reverting to true form and riding off into the sunset. If you can take advantage of any loop holes left by the thicko's at the BSPA then all the better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
