MattK 3,447 Posted January 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, ray c said: I don't think you understood what was being said nothing to do with his ability on a bike just another gb rider lost to British speedway shame on the promoters to let this happen !! What is being said? You seem to be implying that British speedway owes a living to any British rider, regardless of ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: No shame on me. Jacobs wasn't good enough to cut it in the top flight. Same as Smith last season. NL is their level. Tough on him if he hasn't found a berth in the NL but riders should be active in chasing spots. Joe Jacobs not good enough!!! Your talking absolute tosh as always. Averaged over 5 in the 2016 season. If anything he did to well!! Another Brit lost to the sport....... Steve Shovlars idea of a rider not good enough is as follows: 9+3 v Wolves .........main reserve Howarth 8 v Swindon.......main reserve Wright 7+1 v Poole...........up against Pedersen and Newman 10 v Leicester...........main reserve Auty 8 v Poole.......Pedersen and Newman again. Wont be up against that calibre this season yet Shovlar thinks he isnt good enough lol Edited January 8, 2018 by Gavan more text 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poole keith 911 Posted January 8, 2018 what pees me off is the knocking of speedway riders on the forum when 99%of us on this forum wouldnt have the balls to do one full speed lap on a speedway bike 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, poole keith said: what pees me off is the knocking of speedway riders on the forum when 99%of us on this forum wouldnt have the balls to do one full speed lap on a speedway bike Thats whats annoying yes i agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: No shame on me. Jacobs wasn't good enough to cut it in the top flight. Same as Smith last season. NL is their level. Tough on him if he hasn't found a berth in the NL but riders should be active in chasing spots. His 2016 top flight average was 5.14. Perks is the one who can't cut it at a higher level. I remember people saying fast Freddie was a one track pony for years. Jacobs has always done ok as a number 7 in the top flight, and more than done his job. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WestGorton1884 621 Posted January 8, 2018 Some of the comments on here regarding JJ , completely missing the point . Joe Jacobs was more than capable of holding down a place in a championship team , but for one reason or another never got the chance ??? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Al 708 Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, poole keith said: what pees me off is the knocking of speedway riders on the forum when 99%of us on this forum wouldnt have the balls to do one full speed lap on a speedway bike Agree with one proviso which is that "knocking" is justified when higher-paid riders take the P out of the paying public Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,065 Posted January 8, 2018 How can people say Jacobs isn’t good enough?! It’s the fact he did well and his average went up that he struggled to get a ride, like Greaves in the Championship this year. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted January 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: No shame on me. Jacobs wasn't good enough to cut it in the top flight. Same as Smith last season. NL is their level. Tough on him if he hasn't found a berth in the NL but riders should be active in chasing spots. How do you know Smith won't be good anough??? honestly you talk some crap at times a young lad who will come again last year Jack would of learned alot.As for Jacobs he has proved he can cut it in the EL and now the league is even weaker so i don't get your point.His home performances were terrific ok he struggled at times away but with a doubling up spot he would of improved the Aces fans seemed to like Joe and they see more of him than anyone.You have real double standards you knock those two young lads yet supported Newman to the hilt when really Kyle has had more chances than most Brits. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mattfordfan 286 Posted January 8, 2018 Gavan trying to fight a losing battle again. Jacobs has been forced into retirement because no club wants him and that's the truth I'm afraid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WestGorton1884 621 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matt Ford Fan said: Gavan trying to fight a losing battle again. Jacobs has been forced into retirement because no club wants him and that's the truth I'm afraid. How incredibly insightful of you ! thats the whole point of the argument why was a young british rider unable to get a team birth in british league speedway ? runs a bit deeper than “nobody wanted him” .... Edited January 8, 2018 by WestGorton1884 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattJ81 51 Posted January 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Matt Ford Fan said: Gavan trying to fight a losing battle again. Jacobs has been forced into retirement because no club wants him and that's the truth I'm afraid. Surely he's been forced into retirement because he can't find two clubs that want him? He said the only way he could make speedway viable was to ride in both the Premiership and Championship. He could have had an offer from one or the other league but not both I guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Matt Ford Fan said: Gavan trying to fight a losing battle again. Jacobs has been forced into retirement because no club wants him and that's the truth I'm afraid. do me a favour buddy and read the thread and posts properly!! Mr Shovlar said that Jacobs isnt good enough to ride in the top flight. Quite obviously that is total rubbish as his average of over 5 in a harder league proves. Yes nobody has signed him as his average is probably to high to get a place in the top flight and if you read things you would realise he wants to ride in both leagues as he cant afford to just ride in one. Im fighting no losing battle ....just your inability to read and understand things Edited January 8, 2018 by Gavan more text 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,363 Posted January 8, 2018 22 hours ago, DC2 said: Cook has got to the GPs very quickly. He was a new NL novice only about seven years ago. He’s late to the sport and older but he’s the equivalent of a 23 year old who started at 16! He’s got there faster that Brady Kurtz or Jack Holder will. Poole have cornered the win at all costs “brand”, based on mercenary opportunism every year, but it works only because no other club does that well or adopts real branding which is a longer term strategy of creating a club culture that fans and potential customers in the local community can identify with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,860 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Averages and the asset system is killing the sport. What is is these days to loan another teams rider????? Can't be cheap. Sometimes it's cheaper to fly in an untried foreigner for them to become as asset of the club. Edited January 8, 2018 by Phil The Ace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites