Humphrey Appleby 13,955 Posted August 17, 2018 Cricket has its issues, but those issues pale into insignificance when compared with speedway. And despite appearing to be run by a bunch of old f**ts, it's always managed to revitalise itself - first with one day, then one afternoon and more recently T20 cricket - when interest appeared to be declining. And it certainly commands much better television and sponsorship deals than anything speedway can hope for. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spl77 337 Posted August 17, 2018 7 hours ago, JC! said: A friend of mine went to Ipswich tonight and messaged me what had happened, it doesn't even surprise or shock people any more, it's a terrible shame. Glasgow were never interested in riding couldn't even be bothered to change. Ipswich were changed and ready to go but apparently one member of the Ipswich side then refused and got the others to change their minds no guessing who that was! Then when given the chance to go on the Mic to explain both captains ran off off like a pair of school girls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: Cricket has its issues, but those issues pale into insignificance when compared with speedway. And despite appearing to be run by a bunch of old f**ts, it's always managed to revitalise itself - first with one day, then one afternoon and more recently T20 cricket - when interest appeared to be declining. And it certainly commands much better television and sponsorship deals than anything speedway can hope for. But, on the other hand, withdraw all the television and sponsorship deals, and how much trouble would it be in? The answer would be where speedway currently is, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted August 17, 2018 ONE notable comparison ... top performers in both sports ply their trade around the world, representing a variety of different teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, PHILIPRISING said: ONE notable comparison ... top performers in both sports ply their trade around the world, representing a variety of different teams. In the same week? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted August 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, moxey63 said: But, on the other hand, withdraw all the television and sponsorship deals, and how much trouble would it be in? The answer would be where speedway currently is, I guess. ...bit like football in that respect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cheese 2,022 Posted August 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: ONE notable comparison ... top performers in both sports ply their trade around the world, representing a variety of different teams. Even had a case of doubling-up this week with Josh Poysden joining Yorkshire on loan for championship games but still part of Birmingham's squad for T20 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted August 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, moxey63 said: But, on the other hand, withdraw all the television and sponsorship deals, and how much trouble would it be in? The answer would be where speedway currently is, I guess. Well you say that about any sport .the fact is sponsors want to back it and tv stations want to screen because its good .no one wants to do that with speedway because its not .it's not hard to follow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, orion said: Well you say that about any sport .the fact is sponsors want to back it and tv stations want to screen because its good .no one wants to do that with speedway because its not .it's not hard to follow I do find your posts about the decline and general disinterest in speedway by the media and/or masses somewhat perplexing. Many on here talk of better times in the past but you deride the past as well as the present. When did you first go to speedway and did you ever enjoy the sport as it was (forgetting the present issues now facing the sport) or have you always felt that the sport was never any good and/or to be taken seriously? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halifaxtiger 5,318 Posted August 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, orion said: Well you say that about any sport .the fact is sponsors want to back it and tv stations want to screen because its good .no one wants to do that with speedway because its not .it's not hard to follow The sadness is that is not totally true. I saw an excellent meeting at Somerset on Wednesday and a very decent one at Isle of Wight last night. It seems to me that it is a matter of speedway simply not making the most of the opportunity that television coverage allows and doing everything it can to ensure that when in front of the cameras huge effort is put in to put the sport in as favourable a light as possible. Too often we see rubbish meetings in dreadful tracks without any attempt to increase the attendance. That's just not good enough. The last club that really went to town when on television were Berwick. Massive advertising, cheaper entry, getting the track in as good a state as possible - which was rewarded by a big attendance and a repeat visit. That should be par for the course. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, steve roberts said: I do find your posts about the decline and general disinterest in speedway by the media and/or masses somewhat perplexing. Many on here talk of better times in the past but you deride the past as well as the present. When did you first go to speedway and did you ever enjoy the sport as it was (forgetting the present issues now facing the sport) or have you always felt that the sport was never any good and/or to be taken seriously? It's easy really .things that worked 30 years ago won't work now .sadly people like you can't get your head around that hence why you want things like war chants etc to come back .so i dont deride the past at all but understand it's now 2018 not 1975 . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, orion said: It's easy really .things that worked 30 years ago won't work now .sadly people like you can't get your head around that hence why you want things like war chants etc to come back .so i dont deride the past at all but understand it's now 2018 not 1975 . ...who said anything about bringing chants back? You need to read my posts more carefully. I was comparing the fact that chants appear to be the norm in football (as well as other sport) but not in speedway apparently despite the continual debate about generating an atmosphere. So I'm assuming that you went during the middle seventies. What would be helpful is that you were able to highlight things that worked back then that would work now? Not everything was negative (although there were issues) which is what you keep implying in your posts despite you initiating different. You continually comment about 'now and then' but examples would be appreciated. After all the sport attracted thousands during it's last 'Golden Era' rather than the hundreds it apparently attracts now so it obviously was doing something right which it ain't now! Name one aspect of the sport that worked in the past and could be -re-emplemented now to improve the overall image? Edited August 17, 2018 by steve roberts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) I took on the sport and all its blemishes in 1975. Guests were part of what I accepted. To an outsider that would have been a silly part of the sport. To me it didn't matter, as I loved the sport. Even in the initial years when SKY first got involved and Belle Vue trudged down to Eastbourne with only one of their regular riders, in the early 2000s, I still accepted it as part of speedway's quirky side. But then things just went off the scale in the years that followed. I think this is when riders began to hold more power than the clubs they were riding for. Doubling up and doubling down came in. Then there was the ridiculous Golden Double, which further questioned my love. To be honest, I started to lose track of who belonged to what team. Riders who began riding for my team, to me, appeared like they were just in it for themselves, they were there because they had the best deal, the best of all worlds, the diary that suited them and allowed them to maximise their earning potential on most nights of the week. Then we have the thing last night, if I'm correct, where Belle Vue couldn't use Craig Cook, who started the season with them and then went out to Glasgow after a few weeks because Tigers had the first choice after Aces' match at Swindon was a rearranged one. But Cook began the year at Belle Vue and therefore, to me, they should have the first call - always. Does that not matter? It has just become too complicated to even bother with rules anymore. Without rules you can keep up with, you're really just watching four men on motorbikes. Yes, I am a long-in-the-tooth fan. I don't think all that happened in the past was the best. But to me right now, British speedway is very much like the Christmas Tree lights you pull out in the first week of December - all mangled up. Edited August 17, 2018 by moxey63 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,955 Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, moxey63 said: But, on the other hand, withdraw all the television and sponsorship deals, and how much trouble would it be in? The answer would be where speedway currently is, I guess. Most sports would be in trouble - they're all reliant on television and sponsorship these days. Not least because as revenue increases, the competitors not unreasonably expect a significant percentage of it, and as you always have to have winners and losers in sport, it becomes an arms race to sign them. Cricket would have to substantially scale back its expenses, but still gets significantly better crowds than speedway, especially at international level. But the point is surely that cricket is able to pull in decent television and sponsorship deals, it still get good media coverage, and it has high-level support that speedway can only dream of. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mickthemuppet 976 Posted August 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: Most sports would be in trouble - they're all reliant on television and sponsorship these days. Not least because as revenue increases, the competitors not unreasonably expect a significant percentage of it, and as you always have to have winners and losers in sport, it becomes an arms race to sign them. Cricket would have to substantially scale back its expenses, but still gets significantly better crowds than speedway, especially at international level. But the point is surely that cricket is able to pull in decent television and sponsorship deals, it still get good media coverage, and it has high-level support that speedway can only dream of. Cricket even with sponsorship and TV is in a very poor state financially and without the test match money many counties would be on the breadline 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites