Reliant Robin 492 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT it is the promoters who don't want freedom of movement and rely on the assets system. I'd suggest that if there was freedom of movement then costs for Promoters would increase at an even faster rate. Riders would be better off and be open to the highest bidder each year, even more so than they are now. Who do we think those increased costs would end up being passed onto? Edited June 5, 2018 by Reliant Robin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted June 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, ray c said: Let's be honest the season we are having at Poole would make anyone want to pack it in It isn't finished yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perton Wolf 396 Posted June 5, 2018 The ''asset'' system is farcical, bin it and bring the sport into the 21st century. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perton Wolf 396 Posted June 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Reliant Robin said: I'd suggest that if there was freedom of movement then costs for Promoters would increase at an even faster rate. Riders would be better off and be open to the highest bidder each year, even more so than they are now. Who do we think those increased costs would end up being passed onto? Or one could argue that clubs would no longer have to pay a ''loan fee'' - thereby saving money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyke 275 Posted June 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Perton Wolf said: The ''asset'' system is farcical, bin it and bring the sport into the 21st century. Most likely also illegal according to employment law 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reliant Robin 492 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Perton Wolf said: Or one could argue that clubs would no longer have to pay a ''loan fee'' - thereby saving money. I don't think it would save them money....any saving would be spent, and some, if riders had complete freedom of movement. I'm not saying I'm I complete agreement with the 'asset' system how it currently is, but scrapping it completely isn't the answer and would not do supporters of the Sport in UK any favours in my opinion. I do think a Club should have to use their assets within a timeframe or lose them rather than sitting on them indefinitely. Edited June 5, 2018 by Reliant Robin 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perton Wolf 396 Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, tyke said: Most likely also illegal according to employment law Also encourages clubs to farm a large number of assets and then hold other clubs to ransom for them, even if they have no intent of picking them to ride for the club again. The whole system is really bizarre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capone 35 Posted June 6, 2018 dont know if ive missed it somewhere, but its strange that c. holder, is the only aussie unable to get visa/ work permit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GWC 495 Posted June 6, 2018 Is Milik a Poole asset? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunner85 603 Posted June 6, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 11:25 AM, DC2 said: Swindon 46.74 Wolves 47.44 Belle Vue 43.98 Poole 42.54 Rye House 43.73 Somerset 41.93 Kings Lynn 38.46 Leicester 43.02 Those are the 2017 finishing averages. For 2018, to encourage continuity and fan loyalty any team should have been allowed to keep the same riders, regardless of average, or build a new team to the fourth highest average ((Rye’s 43.73). That could have meant the top three clubs keeping the same team and the bottom five replacing a couple of riders with better ones, whether they be established Championship scorers or emerging riders (UK or foreign). If they chose emerging riders they would truly be investing in their team’s future and would get closer to and ultimately overtake the top teams. Sweden used to have a limit for the next year which would be the average of the top three from the previous season. Over time the limit got higher and higher and overall made the teams more expensive. our limit is designed to keep costs down...rightly or wrongly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted June 6, 2018 6 hours ago, capone said: dont know if ive missed it somewhere, but its strange that c. holder, is the only aussie unable to get visa/ work permit Thats because he's the only Aussie with personal complicating issues!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted June 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Gunner85 said: Sweden used to have a limit for the next year which would be the average of the top three from the previous season. Over time the limit got higher and higher and overall made the teams more expensive. our limit is designed to keep costs down...rightly or wrongly Oh, OK, thanks. Maybe it’s a non-starter, but it would be nice to see a well considered public discussion between the BSPA and fans about all issues that might improve speedway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted June 7, 2018 18 hours ago, Gunner85 said: Sweden used to have a limit for the next year which would be the average of the top three from the previous season. Over time the limit got higher and higher and overall made the teams more expensive. our limit is designed to keep costs down...rightly or wrongly TROUBLE is that when you are dealing with an average rather than simply a rider those costs can quite easily go up. Plenty of riders have their worth inflated because their average fits rather than their ability. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mediman 65 Posted June 7, 2018 Good for Matt these riders are available for any promoter to sign and keep on their books and if a club wants to loan them they can , To me it’s good business, same in many sports.its a risk if no one uses them but at least we have a promoter willing to invest. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mediman 65 Posted June 7, 2018 Good for Matt these riders are available for any promoter to sign and keep on their books and if a club wants to loan them they can , To me it’s good business, same in many sports.its a risk if no one uses them but at least we have a promoter willing to invest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites