norbold 7,109 Posted August 13, 2019 It's all very reminiscent of the debates about the Big Five in the old days. It was generally reckoned that the most gifted and most talented.rider was Ronnie Moore and the most spectacular to watch was Peter Craven, but for sheer determination and the most successful were Ove Fundin and Barry Briggs, both of whom would figure in most people's top riders of all times above Moore and Craven. It is all a matter of opinion and there are no right or wrong answers and depends on what it is that is regarded as the true mark of the "best". 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted August 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, norbold said: It's all very reminiscent of the debates about the Big Five in the old days. It was generally reckoned that the most gifted and most talented.rider was Ronnie Moore and the most spectacular to watch was Peter Craven, but for sheer determination and the most successful were Ove Fundin and Barry Briggs, both of whom would figure in most people's top riders of all times above Moore and Craven. It is all a matter of opinion and there are no right or wrong answers and depends on what it is that is regarded as the true mark of the "best". Didn’t anyone rate the fifth man then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted August 13, 2019 Anyway we are getting off topic. Rossiter was better than Lee or Woffinden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terry 1,319 Posted August 13, 2019 Call me dense (or too young-ish) but who was the fifth man? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted August 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Anyway we are getting off topic. Rossiter was better than Lee or Woffinden. As a manager? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted August 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Terry said: Call me dense (or too young-ish) but who was the fifth man? Joseph Cotten. Oh sorry, he was the Third Man... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,109 Posted August 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, Terry said: Call me dense (or too young-ish) but who was the fifth man? Björn Knutson. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terry 1,319 Posted August 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Gavan said: Absolutely spot on 100% You can look at three criteria and i will give you 3 answers..... but if you are discussing best rider ....its Tai if we talking about British only Favourite to watch...........Mark Loram Most naturally talented...........Loram, Ward, K.Moran, Screen, Gollob, Lee, Collins , Carter Best Ever..........Rickardsson, Nielsen, Mauger, Woffinden Woffinden before Fundin, Briggs and Hancock? I think not. Carter more naturally talented than Shawn Moran? Never in this world. Mark Loram favourite to watch? Absolutely spot on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terry 1,319 Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, norbold said: Björn Knutson. Thanks. I was thinking Michanek! Still, correct nationality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted August 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Terry said: Woffinden before Fundin, Briggs and Hancock? I think not. Carter more naturally talented than Shawn Moran? Never in this world. Mark Loram favourite to watch? Absolutely spot on! As highly as I rate Woffinden, I agree that he is not at the Rickardsson/Mauger/Nielsen level - yet. Needs another win or two... I would also put Gundersen and Olsen in that elite group. Michanek's peak was 10-15 years after the group mentioned. Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waytogo28 2,054 Posted August 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Gavan said: Most naturally talented...........Loram, Ward, K.Moran, Screen, Gollob, Lee, Collins , Carter Best Ever..........Rickardsson, Nielsen, Mauger, Woffinden For me - Most naturally talented - Ward, Lee, Gollob, K. Moran, Carter BestEver - Fundin, Mauger, Rickardsson, Nielsen, Collins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 8:02 PM, phillipsr said: Burrows and Josh Auty would of ruled world speedway of it was just based on pure talent... Lee, Woffinden, Craven also rans in comparison Ask the home Scunny fans if Auty has any talent or not.!!!! or maybe you believe you know better NOT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 8:45 PM, norbold said: It's all very reminiscent of the debates about the Big Five in the old days. It was generally reckoned that the most gifted and most talented.rider was Ronnie Moore and the most spectacular to watch was Peter Craven, but for sheer determination and the most successful were Ove Fundin and Barry Briggs, both of whom would figure in most people's top riders of all times above Moore and Craven. It is all a matter of opinion and there are no right or wrong answers and depends on what it is that is regarded as the true mark of the "best". Spot on Norbold , Midland Red has been saying this all along it is only someone's opinion no more no less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 18, 2019 Those with long memories will wonder where riders like Vic Duggan, Jack Parker, Eric Langton and a few more may fit in with a best ever rating! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,053 Posted August 18, 2019 16 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Ask the home Scunny fans if Auty has any talent or not.!!!! or maybe you believe you know better NOT. Being good at one track doesnt make you talented.. The sport is littered with pretty poor riders who were good at one track 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites