Diamonds85 699 Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: Can see 'Speedway' going to one big league next season....and keeping the NDL.... Premiership has been woeful..... If that happened, the standard of all the teams, PL and CL would have to drastically drop, because everyone who has doubled up this year could only ride for one team... Where are all the new riders gonna come from? What needs to happen is increase the PL to say 8 teams and have the CL as 8-10 teams, and limit the amount of double uppers allowed per team... AND more emphasis needs to be put into the NDL, the riders who ride in that league are our FUTURE... Whether Eastbourne/Birmingham/Oxford/Swindon can run or not, maybe it's a good idea for the ones struggling money wise to drop back down into the NL and improve the numbers down there... Back the kids Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzac 1,015 Posted October 4, 2021 53 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said: Whether Eastbourne/Birmingham/Oxford/Swindon can run or not, maybe it's a good idea for the ones struggling money wise to drop back down into the NL and improve the numbers down there... Back the kids We (Eastbourne) did back the kids for 4/5 seasons and had a good product taken away by 2019. Had a few pretty good seasons and battles with Brum as well. The level it is at moment wouldn't make it viable for the likes of the clubs you mention I would have thought, as it's no longer a proper league really. Raise the level to pre 2019 and the above may come back, plus the IOW perhaps and you have a good sustainable league again. Whether the powers that be would allow it is another question. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamonds85 699 Posted October 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, gazzac said: We (Eastbourne) did back the kids for 4/5 seasons and had a good product taken away by 2019. Had a few pretty good seasons and battles with Brum as well. The level it is at moment wouldn't make it viable for the likes of the clubs you mention I would have thought, as it's no longer a proper league really. Raise the level to pre 2019 and the above may come back, plus the IOW perhaps and you have a good sustainable league again. Whether the powers that be would allow it is another question. Yes I know, and the Eastbourne and Birmingham teams were brilliant to watch, we need more national league teams like that to help back the new blood coming through... And help support some of the middle order CL riders who are maybe down on form a little like Ashley Morris, would be a good racer to follow for the new, inexperienced kids to learn a lot from... I agree that the standard of the NL needs to be raised, however, there isn't as many talents coming through now (14-15-16 year olds) as there was 5/6 years ago unfortunately 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said: Yes I know, and the Eastbourne and Birmingham teams were brilliant to watch, we need more national league teams like that to help back the new blood coming through... And help support some of the middle order CL riders who are maybe down on form a little like Ashley Morris, would be a good racer to follow for the new, inexperienced kids to learn a lot from... I agree that the standard of the NL needs to be raised, however, there isn't as many talents coming through now (14-15-16 year olds) as there was 5/6 years ago unfortunately Whilst you are probably right that the numbers coming through is probably a little bit down (even basic maths of less tracks, less track time equals less riders developing through the sport) lowering the bar certainly hasn't and shouldn't be the answer. Riders need to be good enough to achieve team places not gain them because they are "young with potential" how about young and proven or just proven to be at a higher ability. Making concessions for age and lowering team averages has done immense harm to the league this year yet there are still riders who haven't improved upon the base signing 3.00 despite the lower limit meaning that natural inflation should have occurred across the board. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*JJ 512 Posted October 5, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 10:20 AM, Fromafar said: Not many riders use flu as an excuse.Has made a good recovery judging by his interview yesterday no mention he had been ill.Get rid of all these 2nd rate riders who come and go as they please. If you mean Paco, he is not 'second rate', he is very popular, and valuable to the Brummies. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*JJ 512 Posted October 5, 2021 20 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: I agree that the standard of the NL needs to be raised, however, there isn't as many talents coming through now (14-15-16 year olds) as there was 5/6 years ago unfortunately And the reason for this is the destruction of the Midland Development League and the Southern Development League, which were essential in the development of new riders. Very few can go directly into the National League; many can't make it that far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,363 Posted October 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, *JJ said: If you mean Paco, he is not 'second rate', he is very popular, and valuable to the Brummies. He’s 27 been around for years still at reserve and misses fixtures most of the season,that’s why the sport won’t get any better in GB .IMO.He certainly comes and goes as he pleases,but then again Birmingham probably knew that when they signed him.Certainly not drawing in the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamonds85 699 Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, *JJ said: And the reason for this is the destruction of the Midland Development League and the Southern Development League, which were essential in the development of new riders. Very few can go directly into the National League; many can't make it that far. It's a shame the Development Leagues were destroyed for the Premier Junior League, which never happened 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GiveusaB 1,145 Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: He’s 27 been around for years still at reserve and misses fixtures most of the season,that’s why the sport won’t get any better in GB .IMO.He certainly comes and goes as he pleases,but then again Birmingham probably knew that when they signed him.Certainly not drawing in the fans. Paco's a lovely guy and a real fans favourite....more because of his personality than his riding skills (IMO) I think, if the Leagues stay the same, then the Championship reserve riders would be better off having a criteria of at least being British and may be having 2 reserve 'only' races as opposed to just the 1 at present. Reserve riders don't need to move in to the main body of the team based on GS averages, keep them flexible all season. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*JJ 512 Posted October 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Fromafar said: He’s 27 been around for years still at reserve and misses fixtures most of the season,that’s why the sport won’t get any better in GB .IMO.He certainly comes and goes as he pleases,but then again Birmingham probably knew that when they signed him.Certainly not drawing in the fans. I would say that yes, he does draw in the fans. And he has been scoring very well this year, beating some top opposition riders. The fact that he was still at reserve is a fluke of the average system, not of his usefulness. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col 854 Posted October 7, 2021 Castagna is the main reason Brummies won as many fixtures as they did at home in 2021. If the Brummies do run in 2022, in a well constructed team Castagna would do fine flitting between reserve & 2/3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GiveusaB 1,145 Posted October 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Col said: Castagna is the main reason Brummies won as many fixtures as they did at home in 2021. If the Brummies do run in 2022, in a well constructed team Castagna would do fine flitting between reserve & 2/3. I think you'll find that Chris Harris was the main reason Paco did well and performed above expectation at times though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 10:39 AM, GiveusaB said: Can see 'Speedway' going to one big league next season....and keeping the NDL.... 16 teams will need 112 riders. As only 137 riders were registered in 2021, including NDL riders, on the basis of one rider one club, when the 112 plumb jobs have been taken, that'll leave only 25 riders for the NDL to be spread out amongst their 6 teams. So, plenty of Sits Vacant for the MDL / SDL etc types who may have struggled to have found a place in years gone by. This could have the effect of either drastically weakening the NDL product or it could be the springboard to greatness that some of these riders were hoping for...time will tell. So there were 137 riders in 2021. Barny Pedersen is retiring, so that's one less in the pot...will Jason Crump hang up his boots after this year's fling? Another one less if he does...Aaron Summers, another one less...any more? Any suggestions about who the 17 x #1's could be, bearing in mind how many of them rode for 2 teams last year? Oh, and IF Birmingham find a replacement promoter, make that 17 teams, needing 119 riders, with even less left over for the NDL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GiveusaB 1,145 Posted October 12, 2021 10 hours ago, uk_martin said: 16 teams will need 112 riders. As only 137 riders were registered in 2021, including NDL riders, on the basis of one rider one club, when the 112 plumb jobs have been taken, that'll leave only 25 riders for the NDL to be spread out amongst their 6 teams. So, plenty of Sits Vacant for the MDL / SDL etc types who may have struggled to have found a place in years gone by. This could have the effect of either drastically weakening the NDL product or it could be the springboard to greatness that some of these riders were hoping for...time will tell. So there were 137 riders in 2021. Barny Pedersen is retiring, so that's one less in the pot...will Jason Crump hang up his boots after this year's fling? Another one less if he does...Aaron Summers, another one less...any more? Any suggestions about who the 17 x #1's could be, bearing in mind how many of them rode for 2 teams last year? Oh, and IF Birmingham find a replacement promoter, make that 17 teams, needing 119 riders, with even less left over for the NDL. Could go with 6 man teams? not sure what the answer to a 'failing sport' is ? It's a dire product atm and unless we can attract the big International stars, then I cant see the sport ever attracting a new following. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen52 384 Posted October 12, 2021 4 hours ago, GiveusaB said: Could go with 6 man teams? not sure what the answer to a 'failing sport' is ? It's a dire product atm and unless we can attract the big International stars, then I cant see the sport ever attracting a new following. That was my first thought 6 man Teams, you can also add Rory Schlein to the retirees. I dont see how the Sport can afford International stars, and it wouldnt necesarily improve the racing it would just mean the second reserves would have less chance of winning. First of all we need to get the product right over here with the riders that we have, to begin with get rid of doubling up/down which one League would see the back of. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
