iainb 5,015 Posted August 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Not really because if they are Polish U21 they can replace the 6 and 7 in case of injury. Oh OK, fair enough. Still the lack of team riding in Poland is noticeable by its absence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,725 Posted August 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, iainb said: Oh OK, fair enough. Still the lack of team riding in Poland is noticeable by its absence That’s because of the mega points money- they don’t want to risk dropping points trying to team ride costing them money !! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,015 Posted August 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, racers and royals said: That’s because of the mega points money- they don’t want to risk dropping points trying to team ride costing them money !! Yes, I get that... maybe they've not heard of the expression of pointski's in the the pitski's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,361 Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, iainb said: I'm new to full time Polish Speedway this year and what has surprised me so much is that for a Sport that is so geared up to team work in Poland with the way they run it, with all the club staff, the team colours, the team merchandise, the team socials, the team practice etc. that all of that team work appears to be left at the pit gate in the majority of cases. Admittedly I only see what is fed to me on the TV coverage but I can't really see any team spirit in any of the teams with everybody concentrating on doing their own thing. Maybe that's what the riders have been told to do, maybe I have got it wrong. Are the riders under so much pressure to perform they've got to concentrate on themselves. Who knows, maybe Kolodziej asked to be taken out but if not I don't think he would have been taken out in any other league in the world. I thought similar in other matches where the scoreline has not been in doubt that why aren't they giving their No 8's a ride Like you say hard say what’s going on Team wise ,but they certainly have Team talks frequently during the meeting and it looks like the riders HAVE to watch playback of their heat.Tactics seem strange at times,thought last night at 8 Pts up they would have put Kolodziez or Pawlicki in Ht 14 or even split Lidsey or Emil as they were their top guys on the night,as it happens Smektala done the business though.Were just armchair Team Managers though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
severnsider 197 Posted August 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Like you say hard say what’s going on Team wise ,but they certainly have Team talks frequently during the meeting and it looks like the riders HAVE to watch playback of their heat.Tactics seem strange at times,thought last night at 8 Pts up they would have put Kolodziez or Pawlicki in Ht 14 or even split Lidsey or Emil as they were their top guys on the night,as it happens Smektala done the business though.Were just armchair Team Managers though I think the top 2 scorers go in heat 15 and then the next 2 in heat 14 though they can be replaced by reserves or tactical subs (if 6 behind in the case of tact subs). So the team manager couldn't split up Emil & Lidsey Watching the Polish coverage in the past they would put up the nominated riders and if substituted cover up the replaced rider with the name of the replacement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,361 Posted August 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, severnsider said: I think the top 2 scorers go in heat 15 and then the next 2 in heat 14 though they can be replaced by reserves or tactical subs (if 6 behind in the case of tact subs). So the team manager couldn't split up Emil & Lidsey Watching the Polish coverage in the past they would put up the nominated riders and if substituted cover up the replaced rider with the name of the replacement. Thanks ,hadn’t realised that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,725 Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Sunday`s teams Wroclaw v Czestochowa Wroclaw 9 Janowski 10 Drabik 11 B Curzytek 12 Fricke 13 Woffinden 14 Chugunov 15 M Curzytek Czestochowa 1 Madsen 2 Przedpelski 3 lindgren 4 Holta 5 Doyle 6 Miskowiak 7 Swidnicki Grudziadz v Zielona Gora Grudziadz 9 Pedersen 10 Buczkowski 11 Bjerre 12 Prem Pawlicki 13 A laguta 14 Lotarski 15 Turowski Zielona Gora 1 lindback 2 Vaculik 3 MJJ 4 Protasiewicz 5 Dudek 6 Krakowiak 7 Pawliczak Edited August 13, 2020 by racers and royals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobMcCaffery 2,752 Posted August 13, 2020 3 hours ago, racers and royals said: That’s because of the mega points money- they don’t want to risk dropping points trying to team ride costing them money !! Quite. That race for third when they're on the wrong end of a 5-1 is lucrative. Also, suppose a pair is holding second and third on a 3-3. If all four finish the third-placed gets the bonus. But, should the fourth-placed rider not finish the bonus isn't given, so it's best even on a 3-3 to make sure you get second, just in case. This is what happens when the points money becomes so large as in Poland. The ruthlessness adds edge to the racing but kills team riding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobMcCaffery 2,752 Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Like you say hard say what’s going on Team wise ,but they certainly have Team talks frequently during the meeting and it looks like the riders HAVE to watch playback of their heat.Tactics seem strange at times,thought last night at 8 Pts up they would have put Kolodziez or Pawlicki in Ht 14 or even split Lidsey or Emil as they were their top guys on the night,as it happens Smektala done the business though.Were just armchair Team Managers though Bear in mind Smektala is in his first season in the seniors. The last riders to make such an impact in their debut season were the Pawlicki brothers and some guy called Zmarzlik.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,725 Posted August 13, 2020 1 minute ago, RobMcCaffery said: Bear in mind Smektala is in his first season in the seniors. The last riders to make such an impact in their debut season were the Pawlicki brothers and some guy called Zmarzlik.... Drabik`s also doing ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobMcCaffery 2,752 Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Drabik`s also doing ok. I just edited my post to cover him. I'm not so impressed by Drabik yet. Both haven't reached full consistency as yet and Smektala had a bad one at Wroclaw. Drabik started brightly with four wins in the opener and has posted some good scores along the way but seems rather more inconsistent. I'm sure both will rise to full star level. It's probably me but Drabik just hasn't caught my attention so much yet. Edited August 13, 2020 by RobMcCaffery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,361 Posted August 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said: Bear in mind Smektala is in his first season in the seniors. The last riders to make such an impact in their debut season were the Pawlicki brothers and some guy called Zmarzlik.... Smektala is a talent and having a good season,I was thinking Pawlicki or Kolodziez instead of Kubera (even though he was having a good night) in Ht 14. Agree about Drabik though he would be doing better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobMcCaffery 2,752 Posted August 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: Smektala is a talent and having a good season,I was thinking Pawlicki or Kolodziez instead of Kubera (even though he was having a good night) in Ht 14. Agree about Drabik though he would be doing better. He's got that substance abuse case hanging over him. Must weigh heavily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,015 Posted August 13, 2020 4 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Quite. That race for third when they're on the wrong end of a 5-1 is lucrative. Also, suppose a pair is holding second and third on a 3-3. If all four finish the third-placed gets the bonus. But, should the fourth-placed rider not finish the bonus isn't given, so it's best even on a 3-3 to make sure you get second, just in case. This is what happens when the points money becomes so large as in Poland. The ruthlessness adds edge to the racing but kills team riding. I suppose it's like most things in life "teamwork makes the dream work"... until it comes to payday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobMcCaffery 2,752 Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: I suppose it's like most things in life "teamwork makes the dream work"... until it comes to payday The more money at stake the less of a team sport speedway is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
