PL Fours, Peterborough, 15/07

[montie 1,273]

13 teams in the league. 3x4=12. Which team will miss out in the qualifying rounds?

 

Ipswich as they aint got an out and out NO.1 and they are craaap!!!

Edited June 12, 2012 by montie

[Mr Snackette 190]

13 teams in the league. 3x4=12. Which team will miss out in the qualifying rounds?

 

No team needs to miss out, even with 13 teams.

 

Each promotion would run a qualifer at home, which means that each team would race four qualifying meetings...one at home and three away.

 

The team winning the meeting would get 3 points, second 2 points, and 1 point for finshing 3rd. Collated into a league table, with the top eight (although personally I prefer four) qualifying for finals day.

 

The real problem which has already been highlighted in the cost of putting these meetings on. However the real challenge would be for promoters to do something that most of them have forgotten......to go out and PROMOTE!!!!

Edited June 12, 2012 by Mr Snackette

[DiamondsRock 79]

Clearly you weren't at the Finals last season, where the reserves took 15 rides and scored 22 points between them!!!!!!

 

Clearly you've forgot that the format of the final last year was considerably different to the standard 12 heat final, because it was re-staged with added heats due to the rain off

 

In previous season's (06-'10) the amount of reserve rides in the final were: 1, 2, 0, 1, 3 - so I'd suggest that including the reserve's average in the calculation isn't too important as they're rarely used. (Assuming that we're not having a 20 heat final regardless of the weather this year!!)

[Arson fire 4,785]

 

 

Clearly you've forgot that the format of the final last year was considerably different to the standard 12 heat final, because it was re-staged with added heats due to the rain off

 

In previous season's (06-'10) the amount of reserve rides in the final were: 1, 2, 0, 1, 3 - so I'd suggest that including the reserve's average in the calculation isn't too important as they're rarely used. (Assuming that we're not having a 20 heat final regardless of the weather this year!!)

After all it is the 4's and not the 5's:)

 

 

However the real challenge would be for promoters to do something that most of them have forgotten......to go out and PROMOTE!!!!

Spot on mista.

[screm 8,057]

Can anyone explain or know the criteria for this competition as it's been announced that the defending champions , Ipswich are not included this year !

 

Is this random , another strange authorititive decision or just plain stupidity !

 

Please advise if you have any ideas .

 

While the BSPA continue with this barmy way of selecting the PL Fours field there will always be clubs that are done to and by the looks of things its Ipswich this year.

The Fours is always a great day out,IMO all the teams should be giving a fair chance of getting.

 

Happened to the Isle of Wight in 2008 so Ipswich are not the first.

 

Happened to Berwick after their 4s win at Coventry.

[Mr Snackette 190]

After all it is the 4's and not the 5's.........

 

Yes, but it's a four team meeting, consisting of four teams of five riders. hence the PL 4s. In the same way the old Craven Shield was three team meeting consisting of three teams of six riders each.

 

Clearly you've forgot that the format of the final last year was considerably different to the standard 12 heat final, because it was re-staged with added heats due to the rain off.

 

In previous season's (06-'10) the amount of reserve rides in the final were: 1, 2, 0, 1, 3 - so I'd suggest that including the reserve's average in the calculation isn't too important as they're rarely used. (Assuming that we're not having a 20 heat final regardless of the weather this year!!)

 

I accept last season was different, but none the less the reserves, as you have illustrated, do take rides, and therefore it does seem a little incongruous that their averages are ignored.

[HenryW 1,178]

On a side note, does anyone know if they used 2012 season averages or 2011/12 rolling averages for qualification?

Rolling averages were used, which kind of makes a mockery of anyone talking about wanting to see the best 8 teams, as the teams who have qualified are not the ones who would have made it in on current form

[penchev 342]

No team needs to miss out, even with 13 teams.

 

Each promotion would run a qualifer at home, which means that each team would race four qualifying meetings...one at home and three away.

 

The team winning the meeting would get 3 points, second 2 points, and 1 point for finshing 3rd. Collated into a league table, with the top eight (although personally I prefer four) qualifying for finals day.

 

The real problem which has already been highlighted in the cost of putting these meetings on. However the real challenge would be for promoters to do something that most of them have forgotten......to go out and PROMOTE!!!!

Are you an Ipswich fan by any chance??People have been on here time and time again to find a solution to what teams qualify however nothing seems to change.Get in touch with the BSPA about it if you feel that strongly about it and put your suggestions forward to them. Otherwise accept it and move on, like so many other fans have had to.

[Mr Snackette 190]

Are you an Ipswich fan by any chance??People have been on here time and time again to find a solution to what teams qualify however nothing seems to change.Get in touch with the BSPA about it if you feel that strongly about it and put your suggestions forward to them. Otherwise accept it and move on, like so many other fans have had to.

 

Blimey, it now appears wrong, to make comment about speedway matters on a speedway forum. And woe-betide anyone who makes any suggestions on this Forum, without having first run it passed the BSPA.

 

And what makes you think I haven't accepted it? Indeed I raised it elsewhere weeks ago, but as this is a SPEEDWAY FORUM, I thought it may have engaged some discussion, which I think it has.

 

Clearly this is not of interest to you, so may I respectively suggest that you MOVE ON, perhaps to a thread that more accurately reflects the issues which you find important!!

[screm 8,057]

Are you an Ipswich fan by any chance??People have been on here time and time again to find a solution to what teams qualify however nothing seems to change.Get in touch with the BSPA about it if you feel that strongly about it and put your suggestions forward to them. Otherwise accept it and move on, like so many other fans have had to.

 

How can it be right where theres an unbalance,every PL team deserves the right to have a go a qualifying for the 4s,had Ipswich or any other team for that matter gone through the qualifying meetings and not scored sufficient points then theres no arguement,alls fair,but not with this system.

[wjm 261]

Every team does have a chance to qualify.

[Normski 1,316]

if i were a promoter i am sure i would be over the moon to have a 4's qualifying round with newcastle, edinburgh, glasgow as in the good old days these meetings generated big crowds and much needed income.

[Mr Snackette 190]

Every team does have a chance to qualify.

 

If it were based on 2012 averages, you may have (although not much of) a case. Based on RAs it makes it virtually impossible for some teams to qualify, given that in some cases qualification relates to performances achieved by riders in 2010!!!

[Paulco 7,080]

If it were based on 2012 averages, you may have (although not much of) a case. Based on RAs it makes it virtually impossible for some teams to qualify, given that in some cases qualification relates to performances achieved by riders in 2010!!!

I expected somebody to please wjm and bite at his post , i didn't expect it to be you Snackette .

[wjm 261]

If it were based on 2012 averages, you may have (although not much of) a case. Based on RAs it makes it virtually impossible for some teams to qualify, given that in some cases qualification relates to performances achieved by riders in 2010!!!

 

And….., it’s the same criteria for every club, every year this crap gets spouted about the qualifying for the fours.

 

 

It is pretty tiresome, some teams make it, some don’t.

 

I expected somebody to please wjm and bite at his post , i didn't expect it to be you Snackette .

 

Aye because that’s what it is, if people don’t go with the same party line they must be fishing.

Edited June 12, 2012 by wjm