oldtimer 340 Posted August 9, 2013 Some of the things you read in the Star each week, that team managers and Promoters say make me laugh. This week Phil Morris regarding the defeat at Lakeside is quoted as saying, "It was a disappointing result for us at Lakeside, but even on a bad night we got close to a point, and I think that shows what a solid side we are." Err, you only had three of your side at Lakeside, plus 3 guests and R/R! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheReturn 1,724 Posted August 9, 2013 Some of the things you read in the Star each week, that team managers and Promoters say make me laugh. This week Phil Morris regarding the defeat at Lakeside is quoted as saying, "It was a disappointing result for us at Lakeside, but even on a bad night we got close to a point, and I think that shows what a solid side we are." Err, you only had three of your side at Lakeside, plus 3 guests and R/R! Even more impressive then. I think you are nit picking there. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Potter 2 109 Posted August 9, 2013 Poole did even better at Eastbourne with 2 of there own riders + RR & 4 Guests Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted August 9, 2013 Poole did even better at Eastbourne with 2 of there own riders + RR & 4 Guests Hardly the ELITE League - is it? :rolleyes: :angry: All of this shenanigans is making a mockery of our Sport. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leicester Hunter 381 Posted August 9, 2013 Hardly the ELITE League - is it? :rolleyes: :angry: All of this shenanigans is making a mockery of our Sport. It is, but I still think it's marginally better than the 1970's when a few BL teams were Guest & R/R city. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted August 9, 2013 Some of the things you read in the Star each week, that team managers and Promoters say make me laugh. This week Phil Morris regarding the defeat at Lakeside is quoted as saying, "It was a disappointing result for us at Lakeside, but even on a bad night we got close to a point, and I think that shows what a solid side we are." Err, you only had three of your side at Lakeside, plus 3 guests and R/R! As somebody else said, evenmore impressive. A 4 man team and R/R, dat ain't bad, shame they couldn't have held on for 3 more heats... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brummie Kev 519 Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Hardly the ELITE League - is it? :rolleyes: :angry: All of this shenanigans is making a mockery of our Sport. Don't worry probably wont be an Elite League next year, just a Premier League which as we know can do no wrong!!! Edited August 9, 2013 by Brummie Kev 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted August 9, 2013 Don't worry probably wont be an Elite League next year, just a Premier League which as we know can do no wrong!!! Aaah but the Premier League CAN get things wrong - just not as spectacularly as the Elite League seems to manage. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted August 13, 2013 plus 3 guests and R/R! Poole did even better at Eastbourne with 2 of there own riders + RR & 4 Guests Has the penny dropped yet? To conquer Lakeside on their trick track you need as many guests who are specialists on that track as possible. "Normal" teams face too much of a disadvantage with the home track favouring the Hammers to the value of at least 10 points a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,846 Posted August 13, 2013 Has the penny dropped yet? To conquer Lakeside on their trick track you need as many guests who are specialists on that track as possible. "Normal" teams face too much of a disadvantage with the home track favouring the Hammers to the value of at least 10 points a match. Very strange then that the only team to win at Lakeside this year were Swindon who didn't rely on guests. On the basis of your logic Perry Barr must also be a trick track because the only team to go there and win this year were Swindon. On the other hand, on the basis of your reasoning Belle Vue must be a fantastically neutral track because plenty of teams go there and win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted August 13, 2013 On the basis of your logic Perry Barr must also be a trick track because the only team to go there and win this year were Swindon. On the other hand, on the basis of your reasoning Belle Vue must be a fantastically neutral track because plenty of teams go there and win. Totally flawed logic. A team loses every home meeting 44-46 and every away meeting 75-15. While another team wins every meeting, home and away 46-44, Who has more home track advantage? using your theory it's the team that won every meeting. To anyone else being able to score 44 at home yet never beat an opponent at home would give the crap team far more home track advantage. No idea how it stands this season but a few years ago when I calculated points scored away as a % of points scored at home the teams you expected come out top with regard to home track advantage consistently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,846 Posted August 13, 2013 Totally flawed logic. A team loses every home meeting 44-46 and every away meeting 75-15. While another team wins every meeting, home and away 46-44, Who has more home track advantage? using your theory it's the team that won every meeting. To anyone else being able to score 44 at home yet never beat an opponent at home would give the crap team far more home track advantage. No idea how it stands this season but a few years ago when I calculated points scored away as a % of points scored at home the teams you expected come out top with regard to home track advantage consistently. I don't quite follow what you are saying, but that's probably me being a bit obtuse. However what I was doing was adopting UK Martins point (which is flawed) and taking his argument that to win at Lakeside you need as many guests as possible who are track specialists, to its logical conclusion. I was pointing out that Swindon won with there regular team, not a team packed out with track specialist guests. In other words quality riders are quality riders, not track specialists. When clubs build their teams at the start of the season they know which tracks they have to visit, so if they pick riders who can't ride a particular track then that's down to the team they pick, not the track. Sour grapes for people to blame the track when their team lose. I spoke to Adam Shields about this a few years ago, and his response was that it was just as hard for him to go to places like Swindon and Coventry and to gate first and stay in front as it was for their riders to come to Lakeside and do the same. Every track has a home advantage because the home riders are able to work on their set ups every week instead of having to work them out on a track walk once or twice a season. The home team also has the advantage of having the track prepared as they want it and that is often a very significant factor, rather like a cricket team preparing the wicket to suit the home side. Good riders are good riders though, wherever they ride. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brummiestormer 172 Posted August 13, 2013 So you are basically saying Lakeside and Eastbourne don't have a bigger home track advantage than anyone else---------TOSH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,846 Posted August 13, 2013 So you are basically saying Lakeside and Eastbourne don't have a bigger home track advantage than anyone else---------TOSH Instead of blurting out tosh explain how they do have a big home advantage. Explain how riders like Jurica Pavlic and Tomasz Jedrjak scored maximums the first time they ever saw the place if Lakeside is that difficult. Those tracks do take a particular type of skill, and Lakeside is said to be the most physically demanding EL track so those riders who don't use their head or are not fully fit will get caught out, but that's what racing is about. Peter Karlsson was coming down and reeling off big scores long before Lakeside was his home track. Riders like Lindgren, Woffinden, NKI, Holder, etc can hit big scores on all tracks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,939 Posted August 13, 2013 Instead of blurting out tosh explain how they do have a big home advantage. Explain how riders like Jurica Pavlic and Tomasz Jedrjak scored maximums the first time they ever saw the place if Lakeside is that difficult. Those tracks do take a particular type of skill, and Lakeside is said to be the most physically demanding EL track so those riders who don't use their head or are not fully fit will get caught out, but that's what racing is about. Peter Karlsson was coming down and reeling off big scores long before Lakeside was his home track. Riders like Lindgren, Woffinden, NKI, Holder, etc can hit big scores on all tracks. What nonsense? Physically demanding? Big tracks are more physically demanding! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
