When Will The New Race Format Be Out & How Can Teams Name Riders When They Don't Know It?

[T.N.T. 355]

BELLE VUE v COVENTRY

 

 

1 5 1 5 ........... ZAGAR / 3.00 V ANDERSEN / Howath

2 4 2 4 ........... COOK / Worrall V HARRIS / Fisher

6 7 6 7 ........... Niesen / Reade V Garrity / Sarjeant

3 4 3 4 ........... Nicholls / Worrall V Hansen / Fisher

2 5 2 5 ........... COOK / 3.00 V HARRIS / Howarth

1 3 1 3 ........... ZAGAR / Nicholls V ANDERSEN / Hansen

5 7 4 6 ........... 3.00 / Reade V Fisher / Garrity

4 6 5 7 ........... Worrall / Nielsen V Howarth / Sarjeant

2 3 1 3 ........... COOK / Nicholls V ANDERSEN / Hansen

6 7 6 7 ........... Nielsen / Reade V Garrity / Sarjeant

1 3 2 3 ........... ZAGAR / Nicholls V HARRIS / Hansen

5 6 4 7 ........... 3.00 / Nielsen V Fisher / Sarjeant

1 2 1 2 ........... ZAGAR / COOK V ANDERSEN / HARRIS

4 7 5 6 ........... Worrall / Reade V Howarth / Garrity

N N N N ............

 

Certainly looks like a home win but good tactical possibilities in heats 7 and 12 for Fisher and Garrity !!

[Mike.Butler 601]

maybe handicapping in heats involving reserves is what's being considered? I wouldn't go to watch if so though

[naffer 442]

maybe handicapping in heats involving reserves is what's being considered?

 

 

The bees are ahead on that idea we already have havelock.

Edited January 5, 2014 by naffer

[BWitcher 12,453]

Not read through the thread, so not sure if it has been mentioned.. but.

 

If the heat leaders are going to be against each other even more often than now, it will mean their averages will drop.

 

If the second strings are going to be racing against the NL riders etc, their averages are going to rise quite a bit.

 

It could make a very strange set of figures... and for smart clubs, perhaps opportunities to exploit?

[MattK 3,447]

Not read through the thread, so not sure if it has been mentioned.. but.

 

If the heat leaders are going to be against each other even more often than now, it will mean their averages will drop.

 

If the second strings are going to be racing against the NL riders etc, their averages are going to rise quite a bit.

 

It could make a very strange set of figures... and for smart clubs, perhaps opportunities to exploit?

 

Wouldn't rolling averages smooth this out for most riders?

 

For example, a rider who averaged 4 per meeting last season, but scores 8 per meeting in 2014 would see their rolling average go up by one point every seven meetings (assuming rolling averages are calculated over 28 meetings).

[BWitcher 12,453]

 

Wouldn't rolling averages smooth this out for most riders?

 

For example, a rider who averaged 4 per meeting last season, but scores 8 per meeting in 2014 would see their rolling average go up by one point every seven meetings (assuming rolling averages are calculated over 28 meetings).

Yes, it will to an extent.

 

The main issue would be the season end averages. You could end up with such a rider on the same average as a top line rider.

Edited January 5, 2014 by BWitcher

[g13webb 4,254]

Yes, it will to an extent.

 

The main issue would be the season end averages. You could end up with such a rider on the same average as a top line rider.

 

It would make the existing CMA a lottery, with a good second string having a better average then a heater leader. I did point this out earlier but no-one seems that bothered.

The knock -on effect is that 2nd string with high average, will be replaced with heat leaders because they are better riders, and no one will want to employ 2nd string with those high score.

 

The whole idea of having protected races opens up a big can of worms, and will only ever be a short term fix. Crazy idea.....!!!!!!

[MattK 3,447]

Yes, it will to an extent.

 

The main issue would be the season end averages. You could end up with such a rider on the same average as a top line rider.

 

It could make for some very interesting pre-playoff changes.

 

As for 2015, the whole system will have to be changed. Again.

[A ORLOV 8,628]

 

It could make for some very interesting pre-playoff changes.

 

As for 2015, the whole system will have to be changed. Again.

Or in 2015 a lot of mid order riders with false averages could be dropped unless they increase the team points limit

[Grachan 7,364]

 

It would make the existing CMA a lottery, with a good second string having a better average then a heater leader. I did point this out earlier but no-one seems that bothered.

 

 

To be fair, a lot of people have mentioned it and a lot of people have been bothered.

 

Second strings could effectively ride themselves out of business for next season if they turn in an 8 point average. Who's going to take a second string on 8 when they can get a heat leader on 6?

 

This could, effectively, see an end to averages being used in team building. They may have tyo go back to grading, with riders assessed on the standard of heat that their scores were attained.

[T.N.T. 355]

Averages will always be up for ridicule and while rolling averages can be good in many ways, it can give a false sense of a riders true ability or form.

 

 

If the rolling averages are still at 28 (now its a 36 meeting league) these can give false readings. Take Martin Smolinski for instance. Had he been riding this season, even if he scored 7 or 8 in every meeting in the first half of the season, his average would drop quite a bit as the scores at the start of 2013 would disappear.

 

 

So if a rider had a poor start to the season, then dropped to reserve (ie Patrick Hougaard) then he could score 5 a meeting for the first half of the season but his average would actually rise due to the form he had from mid 2013 while at reserve. So even if he was struggling mid season, his average could be close to seven points a match !!

[Crazy robin 2,966]

Lets just be honest & say that the sport is a shambles & whilst these new ideas have been brought in for 2014 for the alledged right reasons they are going to cause even more problems with how the proposed race format is done.

 

Stick a 2nd string in easy races & get him an improved average & then bring in the likes of Kasperzak etc to take his place.

 

Lets see how long that takes or will the clowns who refuse to announce the race format come on with a way round that not happening?.

 

Sorry I have no faith in them at all.

[SCB 0]

Not read through the thread, so not sure if it has been mentioned.. but.

 

If the heat leaders are going to be against each other even more often than now, it will mean their averages will drop.

 

If the second strings are going to be racing against the NL riders etc, their averages are going to rise quite a bit.

 

It could make a very strange set of figures... and for smart clubs, perhaps opportunities to exploit?

 

 

 

Wouldn't rolling averages smooth this out for most riders?

 

For example, a rider who averaged 4 per meeting last season, but scores 8 per meeting in 2014 would see their rolling average go up by one point every seven meetings (assuming rolling averages are calculated over 28 meetings).

Someone mentioned this days after the AGM, can't think who

 

It's always what makes Poole signing of an assessed rider a bit of genius. He only has to beat the reserves in his 2 rides against them to average 4, if he can beat the second string 2 or 3 times too he will average 6 or 7 without beating much. Then what? Well bring in a 6-7 point rider in June!

[Bagpuss 10,817]

There surely must be measures of some kind in place to adjust CMA's to reflect the strength of the races that heat leaders and second strings will be in?

[Kester 3,036]

There surely must be measures of some kind in place to adjust CMA's to reflect the strength of the races that heat leaders and second strings will be in?

 

You're assuming they've thought it through that far.