Skodaman 192 Posted May 1, 2014 I agree it was a severe imbalance but isn't it Leicester's fault for not choosing different riders than they did? Aren't King's Lynn to be praised for choosing the riders they did? Or were the riders allotted with no say from the clubs involved, a bit like Rider Control in the old days? If it was all down to club's selections then it's similar to how every season ALL teams start equal in that they all have a set points limit. Praise should be given to those clubs whose selections end up scoring much higher than the others and criticism should be levelled at those whose choices have their team outclassed? Norrie Allan has admitted it was their bad pick and he asked the supporters not to blame the riders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 533 Posted May 1, 2014 Ain't it great to see how the draft system is working fairly again tonight in the Kings Lynn Vs. Leicester meeting tonight KL already had 'off the shelf' riders that they had been developing over tha last couple of years can't blame them for that. Other EL teams will have to do the same if the draft list is to stay and succeed which, I believe is the point? 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted May 1, 2014 Ain't it great to see how the draft system is working fairly again tonight in the Kings Lynn Vs. Leicester meeting tonight You seem to have major issue with Kings Lynn and their FTR. Am I right, your not a lover of this new Draft System????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted May 1, 2014 You seem to have major issue with Kings Lynn and their FTR. Am I right, your not a lover of this new Draft System????? Crazy robin appears not to be a lover of anything speedway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semion 2,192 Posted May 1, 2014 Does anyone know where the first set of unofficial averages for the new draft riders can be found ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted May 1, 2014 Does anyone know where the first set of unofficial averages for the new draft riders can be found ? Phil Morris's laptop?! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weatherwatcher 664 Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I still can't belive the way they have set up the FTR. You have some that have riden in the EL for a couple of years, most who have riden in the PL and the poor guys who have done nothing than ride in the NL. How can the lads that are riding against those with previous EL racing stand a chance. I think any of them that had riden in the EL or had a team place in the PL, that was far above the other lads should have been given a ride in the lower team order not the reserves. The reserves should have been of all the same status. Young lads that had just riden in the NL for 1 or 2 seasons with no other league experiance. The likes of Newman and Morris plus Blackbird the list goes on makes the whole thing a complete farce from day 1 Nice to see all the hard work you put in doing that list. You have done a great job. The 2 lads at Leicester where both a couple of Norrie Allens prodigits. So the only people to blame are the Lions management for 2 riders that are well out of thier depth. Edited May 1, 2014 by weatherwatcher 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,963 Posted May 1, 2014 I still can't belive the way they have set up the FTR. You have some that have riden in the EL for a couple of years, most who have riden in the PL and the poor guys who have done nothing than ride in the NL. How can the lads that are riding against those with previous EL racing stand a chance. I think any of them that had riden in the EL or had a team place in the PL, that was far above the other lads should have been given a ride in the lower team order not the reserves. The reserves should have been of all the same status. Young lads that had just riden in the NL for 1 or 2 seasons with no other league experiance. The likes of Newman and Morris plus Blackbird the list goes on makes the whole thing a complete farce from day 1 Nice to see all the hard work you put in doing that list. You have done a great job. The 2 lads at Leicester where both a couple of Norrie Allens prodigits. So the only people to blame are the Lions management for 2 riders that are well out of thier depth. Be careful or you'll be accused of only showing a concern because your club don't have good ones like I do when I dare question it. Failing that you'll be accused of not liking the sport either although you've watched it for 40 years. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigred 187 Posted May 1, 2014 The 2 lads at Leicester where both a couple of Norrie Allens prodigits...... says who????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weatherwatcher 664 Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Says Norrie Allen when he took over as manager of the Lions. He said on the Lions website. That they had lots of talent and would be a great asset to the club and I have worked with the for a number of years. It looks like the talent is a little faded, to say the least. Couldn't give two hoots what they say, like you we stand by our own opinions. I am sure we have been around long enough to know how the sport works. Edited May 1, 2014 by weatherwatcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchesterpaul 447 Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) The averages for the current 20 fast track riders attached to a team are as below. Still a very limited number of guest rides have taken place by non-attached and indeed attached riders so there's no point listing them at the moment. They are current up to and including Monday 28th April and i compiled them using the Speedway Star match reports. The number in brackets is the rank of the rider in the ORIGINAL draft. The riders averages show how they are comparing to their original ranking. This list's main purpose is to show how the riders are performing on the track by averages. After the team name comes matches-rides-points-bonus points-total points. 9.20 Kyle Newman (3) Poole 2 10 21 2 23 8.50 Lewis Blackbird (4) Eastbourne 5 24 44 7 51 8.15 Lewis Kerr (1) King's Lynn 6 26 48 5 53 6.63 Adam Ellis (7) Lakeside 9 41 60 8 68 6.10 James Sarjeant (19) Coventry 6 21 24 8 32 6.00 Stefan Nielsen (5) Belle Vue 7 30 39 6 45 5.92 Jason Garrity (2) Coventry 6 25 33 4 37 5.67 Paul Starke (9) Birmingham 3 12 15 2 17 5.62 Ben Morley (21) Lakeside 10 37 42 10 52 5.47 Steve Worrall (13) Swindon 4 19 24 2 26 5.47 Ashley Morris (8) Wolverhampton 7 30 37 4 41 5.27 Lewis Rose (26) King's Lynn 6 22 23 6 29 5.26 Tom Perry (11) Leicester 8 38 40 10 50 4.55 Daniel Halsey (18) Eastbourne 8 29 27 6 33 4.29 Joe Jacobs (10) Wolverhampton 4 14 13 2 15 3.43 Simon Lambert (12) Birmingham 5 21 15 3 18 3.26 Max Clegg (27) Leicester 8 27 17 5 22 2.53 Dan Greenwood (29) Swindon 5 19 9 3 12 2.15 Lee Smart (14) Poole 4 13 6 1 7 2.00 Ben Reade (16) Belle Vue 6 22 9 2 11 Only unattached rider with more than two matches ridden is Ben Compton who has had four matches 2.86 Benji Compton (15) 4 14 8 2 10 Only significant-ish difference in averages with guest rides included is Steve Worrall's extra three bookings take his average up to 6.59. Edited May 2, 2014 by manchesterpaul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greyhoundp 990 Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) So from that list, the bottom four, Clegg, D,Greenwood. Smart and Reade are not Heat leaders in the NL, It is not the riders fault they are included in the draft, when some NL Heat leaders are not, THATS where the fault lies. Olly Greenwood, should have been in there, Josh Bates, we know why he isnt in, but that still leaves 2 riders short, Yes maybe Tim Webster if he had started the season in the form from when he retired, and possibly Ben Hopwood, those four would maybe at least equal or better than the four at the bottom of the chart. Also, why is Garrity fast tracking, when Birks isnt ? Edited May 2, 2014 by greyhoundp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,963 Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) Crazy robin appears not to be a lover of anything speedway. What a pathetic post as I've watched for over 40 years & would hardly do that if your stupid post was correct would I?. You seem to have major issue with Kings Lynn and their FTR. Am I right, your not a lover of this new Draft System????? The draft system is a good idea but was poorly done but hey ho that's just an opinion on a forum so hardly makes me Peter Sutcliffe or Harold Shipman does it KL already had 'off the shelf' riders that they had been developing over tha last couple of years can't blame them for that. Other EL teams will have to do the same if the draft list is to stay and succeed which, I believe is the point? No can't blame them for that at all but it's all about being in the right place at the right time as other clubs have tried National Lge sides in the past & guess if the draft system was brought in then they would've benefitted. Kings Lynn certainly weren't expecting it unless The Chapman's can see into the future. Edited May 2, 2014 by Crazy robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted May 2, 2014 Also, why is Garrity fast tracking, when Birks isnt ? Because Garrity has never ridden EL. And he's under 21. Surely he's exactly what the draft is about?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted May 3, 2014 The 2 lads at Leicester where both a couple of Norrie Allens prodigits...... says who????? Someone who can't spell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
