robert72 845 Posted July 19, 2016 What fee? Do you know he'll be charging one? Nope. Oh and he WILL be doing it. I believe what he says. As for you, Do you really think he will do it for nothing lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xmas 19 Posted July 19, 2016 I can't see them Being free at all as certain things cost like Insurance First aid Track hire Etc etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris4gillian 1,832 Posted July 19, 2016 Do you really think he will do it for nothing lol I don't know and neither do you...but I wouldn't put it past him. Tell you what, you could ask him yourself next Saturday when you speak to him. Oh yeah, that was just one of your many and persistent crocodile claims!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robert72 845 Posted September 13, 2016 What fee? Do you know he'll be charging one? Nope. Oh and he WILL be doing it. I believe what he says. As for you, So what happened to the TW training school are you still believing he will do one this year ? I saw that James Grieves ran a training school a few weeks ago. Too many excuses from TW who really only cares about himself and not British Speedway or its future but the few like you will always defend him. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris4gillian 1,832 Posted September 14, 2016 So what happened to the TW training school are you still believing he will do one this year ? I saw that James Grieves ran a training school a few weeks ago. Too many excuses from TW who really only cares about himself and not British Speedway or its future but the few like you will always defend him. Why don't you ask him??? Oh yeah, no kahuna's. Bearing in mind the BSPA have ignored his suggestions on how to bring on British riders (ala his decision to not ride for Team GB in 2017), why the hell would he run training schools when they wouldn't be supported by our own governing body? It's not difficult to work out by those with brain cells. I guess yours were nullified by all those speedway accidents you had Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Bearing in mind the BSPA have ignored his suggestions on how to bring on British riders (ala his decision to not ride for Team GB in 2017), why the hell would he run training schools when they wouldn't be supported by our own governing body? Why would the BSPA support any riders training schools when they have supported the Poultec scheme for some time. Just because someone is very good at what he/she does for a living does not mean they make good teachers/tutors. Edited September 14, 2016 by Star Lady 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris4gillian 1,832 Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Why would the BSPA support any riders training schools when they have supported the Poultec scheme for some time. Just because someone is very good at what he/she does for a living does not mean they make good teachers/tutors. Poultec is not run by a two time World Champion who knows what it takes to get to the very highest level. I agree he might not be the best tutor, but we'll never know until he's given some support by those that matter in UK speedway. How many World Champions have come out of the Poultec training? How do you think the worlds best in any discipline/profession get to be the worlds best? They get taught by the best, and in UK speedway that's Tai. And that's a fact, not opinion. Edited September 14, 2016 by chris4gillian 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted September 14, 2016 How do you think the worlds best in any discipline/profession get to be the worlds best? They get taught by the best, and in UK speedway that's Tai. And that's a fact, not opinion. Ok then tell me who taught....Ove Fundin, Ivan Mauger, Barry Briggs, Tony Rickardsson, Mark Loram, Peter Collins, Gary Havelock, Greg Hancock amongst others (not in chronological order). Are you seriously telling us that each World Champion was responsible for teaching the next? No of course not and that my friend is FACT I doubt many if any of them went to a training school. They may well have learnt from watching the previous champions on track and in the pits but then British riders are at a disadvantage aren't they cos they couldn't observe Tai Woffinden cos he didn't ride in Britain until he need some dosh and to keep match fit for the GPs. That my friend is another FACT 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris4gillian 1,832 Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Ok then tell me who taught....Ove Fundin, Ivan Mauger, Barry Briggs, Tony Rickardsson, Mark Loram, Peter Collins, Gary Havelock, Greg Hancock amongst others (not in chronological order). Are you seriously telling us that each World Champion was responsible for teaching the next? No of course not and that my friend is FACT I doubt many if any of them went to a training school. They may well have learnt from watching the previous champions on track and in the pits but then British riders are at a disadvantage aren't they cos they couldn't observe Tai Woffinden cos he didn't ride in Britain until he need some dosh and to keep match fit for the GPs. That my friend is another FACT Well let's look at the historic evidence.... There are far more foreign World Champions than British in speedway history. FACT. Fundin, Mauger, Rickardsson and Hancock are all foreign and more importantly multi World Champions. FACT. Tai is the only ever British double (hopefully multi in years to come) World Champion in history. FACT. (Edit: Of course Peter Craven won two also but they were in one off finals). Tai won his two World Championships in GP years not one off's like many of those you name did. FACT. In light of the above I would say that Tai has a huge amount he could pass on to British youngsters to try to get us up with the Fundin's, Mauger's, Rickardssons and Hancock's . Again that's a FACT. Edited for accuracy regarding Peter Craven. Edited September 14, 2016 by chris4gillian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted September 14, 2016 Well let's look at the historic evidence.... There are far more foreign World Champions than British in speedway history. FACT. Fundin, Mauger, Rickardsson and Hancock are all foreign and more importantly multi World Champions. FACT. Makes no odds what nationality a rider is. Briggs, Mauger and Hancock did virtually all of their early years riding in the UK, so in many respects were the same as a Brit. Not sure what that has to do with Woffinden tho Tai is the only ever British double (hopefully multi in years to come) World Champion in history. FACT. (Edit: Of course Peter Craven won two also but they were in one off finals). Glad you corrected your error. Tai won his two World Championships in GP years not one off's like many of those you name did. FACT. Not exactly sure what that has to do with anything but hey ho. If you are trying to suggest winning the World Championship via a GP series is more difficult that winning a one off final by going thro all the various qualifying rounds that's an entirely different argument. In light of the above I would say that Tai has a huge amount he could pass on to British youngsters to try to get us up with the Fundin's, Mauger's, Rickardssons and Hancock's . Again that's a FACT. No that's your opinion one which you are perfectly entitled to hold, repeating it ad nauseum does not make it a fact. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehone 3,435 Posted September 14, 2016 Fundin, Mauger, Rickardsson and Hancock are all foreign and more importantly multi World Champions. FACT. Mauger, Moore, and Briggs (multi world champions) still rode for Great Britain 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Flag 454 Posted September 14, 2016 Mauger, Moore, and Briggs (multi world champions) still rode for Great Britain Because without the opportunity to come to the UK and ride they wouldn't of had the chance to win anything 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinmauger 584 Posted September 14, 2016 Think Hancock had early tips and assitance form Bruce Penhall and Barry Briggs certainly learned from Ronnie Moore, but Mauger spent a lot of time with Jack Young prior to his 'second coming' (couldn't resist that) to the British League. And so it begat Ole Olsen spent a lot of time with Mauger in their Newcastle days and I believe Peter Collins, & Chris Morton, benefitted from some one-to-one tuition at Hyde Road with Mauger. Chris Morton was never individual Wolrd Chamipion of course but he did win the old World Team Cup with England and the World Best Pairs with Collins.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted September 14, 2016 Because without the opportunity to come to the UK and ride they wouldn't of had the chance to win anything Different ball game now though.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Flag 454 Posted September 14, 2016 Different ball game now though.. Of course it is but we were talking about then 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
