lucifer sam 3,953 Posted July 20, 2016 Many thanks, BL65, compost and all who have contributed to this and for indulging me. Am I right in thinking we should increase Jimmy Squibb's tally to 69....? He rode at TWO of Birmingham's Perry Barr tracks: Alexander Sports Stadium (50s) and at the greyhound stadium (August 19, 1974). Definitely two different stadiums a quarter of a mile (or so) apart!! All the best Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyMac 720 Posted July 20, 2016 Does anyone estimate that Ken McKinlay and/or Reg Luckhurst would be in with a sniff of 50+ venues? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted July 20, 2016 Does anyone estimate that Ken McKinlay and/or Reg Luckhurst would be in with a sniff of 50+ venues? Ken appeared at the following tracks in Britain (66 including the Irish tracks). Apologies if I have missed any. Ashfield Barrow Belle Vue Berwick Birmingham Perry Barr Birmingham Perry Barr Greyhound Stadium Boston Bradford Odsal Bristol Canterbury Cardiff Coatbridge Coventry Cradley Heath Crayford Crewe Eastbourne Edinburgh Ellesmere Port Exeter Fleetwood Glasgow White City Glasgow Hampden Park Hackney Halifax Harringay Hull Boulevard Ipswich King’s Lynn Leicester Liverpool Long Eaton Middlesbrough Mildenhall Motherwell New Cross Newcastle Newport Norwich Oxford Paisley Peterborough Plymouth Poole Rayleigh Reading Rye House Scunthorpe Quibell Park Sheffield Southampton St Austell Stoke Chesterton Stoke Hanley Sunderland Swindon Walthamstow Wembley West Ham Weymouth Wigan Wimbledon Wolverhampton Workington Yarmouth Dunmore Belfast Shelbourne Dublin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyMac 720 Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Ken appeared at the following tracks in Britain (66 including the Irish tracks). Apologies if I have missed any. Ashfield Barrow Belle Vue Berwick Birmingham Perry Barr Birmingham Perry Barr Greyhound Stadium Boston Bradford Odsal Bristol Canterbury Cardiff Coatbridge Coventry Cradley Heath Crayford Crewe Eastbourne Edinburgh Ellesmere Port Exeter Fleetwood Glasgow White City Glasgow Hampden Park Hackney Halifax Harringay Hull Boulevard Ipswich King’s Lynn Leicester Liverpool Long Eaton Middlesbrough Mildenhall Motherwell New Cross Newcastle Newport Norwich Oxford Paisley Peterborough Plymouth Poole Rayleigh Reading Rye House Scunthorpe Quibell Park Sheffield Southampton St Austell Stoke Chesterton Stoke Hanley Sunderland Swindon Walthamstow Wembley West Ham Weymouth Wigan Wimbledon Wolverhampton Workington Yarmouth Dunmore Belfast Shelbourne Dublin Thanks, but how did you confirm Wigan, St. Austell, Cardiff, Harringay & Plymouth, as they were not listed in Mac's testimonial prog, which detailed his pts scored against all teams, home & away, from 1949-75? Were they challenge match or individual. or second half apps? Cheers. Edited July 20, 2016 by tmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Thanks, but how did you confirm Wigan, St. Austell, Cardiff, Harringay & Plymouth, as they were not listed in Mac's testimonial prog, which detailed his pts scored against all teams, home & away, from 1949-75? Were they challenge match or individual. or second half apps? Cheers. Details as follows: Wigan v Glasgow Tigers 30.05.52 Challenge St Austell 08.07.59 Combined Stars v Swedish Tourists St Austell 29.07.59 Ken McKinlay’s Lions v Ronnie Moore’s Kiwis St Austell 19.08.59 50 Guineas Trophy Best Pairs St Austell 26.08.59 St Austell v Poole v Wimbledon St Austell 02.09.59 Ken McKinlay’s Lions v Barry Briggs’ Overseas Stars Cardiff 18.10.51 Best Pairs Harringay 16.06.54 Television Trophy Best Pairs Harringay 18.08.54 World Championship Qualifying Round Plymouth v Glasgow 27.07.50 National League Division 2 Plymouth 07.07.59 Combined Stars v Swedish Tourists Plymouth 03.09.59 Ken McKinlay’s Lions v Barry Briggs’ Overseas Stars Edited July 20, 2016 by BL65 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyMac 720 Posted July 20, 2016 Details as follows: Wigan v Glasgow Tigers 30.05.52 Challenge St Austell 08.07.59 Combined Stars v Swedish Tourists St Austell 29.07.59 Ken McKinlay’s Lions v Ronnie Moore’s Kiwis St Austell 19.08.59 50 Guineas Trophy Best Pairs St Austell 26.08.59 St Austell v Poole v Wimbledon St Austell 02.09.59 Ken McKinlay’s Lions v Barry Briggs’ Overseas Stars Cardiff 18.10.51 Best Pairs Harringay 16.06.54 Television Trophy Best Pairs Harringay 18.08.54 World Championship Qualifying Round Plymouth v Glasgow 27.07.50 National League Division 2 Plymouth 07.07.59 Combined Stars v Swedish Tourists Plymouth 03.09.59 Ken McKinlay’s Lions v Barry Briggs’ Overseas Stars Brilliant work! One best pairs meeting at Cardiff - what a find! Many thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest compost Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) He also rode at Poole on the 16.08.48 (Hastings v Southampton Anniversary Cup match which was held at Poole, funnily enough the other leg was held at Plymouth !) I am aware that, in addition to his home track at Southampton, Jimmy rode at the following between 1947 and 1950: 1948Birmingham 19.06.48 Coventry 17.07.48, 23.10.48 Cradley Heath 14.05.48, 21.05.48, 02.07.48, 08.10.48, 15.10.48 Exeter 12.07.48, 27.09.48, 18.10.48 Harringay 30.07.48 Hastings 02.06.48, 09.06.48, 26.08.48, 15.09.48 Hull 14.08.48, 09.10.48 Norwich 04.09.48 Plymouth 26.03.48, 01.04.48, 29.07.48, 19.08.48, 26.08.48, 28.10.48 Poole 17.05.48, 31.05.48, 14.06.48, 02.08.48, 07.08.48, 25.10.48, 30.10.48 Stoke 08.04.48, 27.05.48, 24.06.48, 12.08.48 Tamworth 21.04.48, 05.05.48, 19.05.48, 23.06.48, 23.09.48 Wembley 30.09.48 Wombwell 23.04.48, 09.07.48, 24.09.48 Yarmouth 18.05.48, 24.08.48 Ken appeared at the following tracks in Britain (66 including the Irish tracks). Apologies if I have missed any. Ashfield Barrow Belle Vue Berwick Birmingham Perry Barr Birmingham Perry Barr Greyhound Stadium Boston Bradford Odsal Bristol Canterbury Cardiff Coatbridge Coventry Cradley Heath Crayford Crewe Eastbourne Edinburgh Ellesmere Port Exeter Fleetwood Glasgow White City Glasgow Hampden Park Hackney Halifax Harringay Hull Boulevard Ipswich King’s Lynn Leicester Liverpool Long Eaton Middlesbrough Mildenhall Motherwell New Cross Newcastle Newport Norwich Oxford Paisley Peterborough Plymouth Poole Rayleigh Reading Rye House Scunthorpe Quibell Park Sheffield Southampton St Austell Stoke Chesterton Stoke Hanley Sunderland Swindon Walthamstow Wembley West Ham Weymouth Wigan Wimbledon Wolverhampton Workington Yarmouth Dunmore Belfast Shelbourne Dublin If you are going to include Republic of Ireland tracks (NOT part of the UK) then Jimmy rode at Shelbourne and Chapelizod to take his total to 71. I didn't include them as the RoI is Not part of the UK and you'd have to include tracks in Germany, Australia and other foreign countries in the totals. You should include Dunmore as Northern Ireland comes under the UK so I understand. Apologies for missing out the '74 Birmingham track. Thought it was all the same venue. Edited July 21, 2016 by compost Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted July 21, 2016 Does anyone estimate that Ken McKinlay and/or Reg Luckhurst would be in with a sniff of 50+ venues? I am aware of the following for Reg (44): Belle Vue, Boston, Canterbury, Coatbridge, Coventry, Cradley Heath, Crayford, Eastbourne, Edinburgh, Ellesmere Port, Exeter, Glasgow White City, Glasgow Hampden Park, Hackney, Halifax, Hull, Ipswich, King’s Lynn, Leicester, Liverpool, Long Eaton, Middlesbrough/Teesside, New Cross, Newcastle, Newport, Norwich, Oxford, Paisley, Poole, Rayleigh, Reading, Rye House, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Southampton, Stoke Chesterton, Stoke Hanley, Swindon, Wembley, West Ham, Wimbledon, Wolverhampton, Workington, Yarmouth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest compost Posted July 21, 2016 I've got 64 (plus 2 in the Republic of Ireland) for Ken McKinlay - Ashfield, Barrow Holker, Belle Vue (Hyde), Berwick (Shielfield), Boston, Bradford Odsal, Bristol Knowle, Canterbury, Coatbridge, CoventryCradley Heath, Crayford, Crewe, Dunmore Belfast *, Eastbourne, Edinburgh OMB, Ellesmere Port, Exeter, Fleetwood, Glasgow HampdenGlasgow White City, Hackney, Halifax, Harringay, Hull Boulevard, Ipswich, King's Lynn 1965 on, Leicester Stadium, Liverpool, Long EatonMiddlesbrough, Mildenhall *, Motherwell, New Cross, Newcastle Brough, Newport, Norwich, Oxford, Paisley *, Perry Barr Birmingham, Alex Gnds BirminghamPeterborough, Pymouth, Poole, Rayleigh, Reading Tilehurst, Rye House Hoddesdon (73+), Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Southampton, St Austell, Stoke HanleyStoke Loomer Rd, Sunderland, Swindon, Walthamstow, Wembley, West Ham, Weymouth, Wigan Poolstock *, Wimbledon, Wolverhampton, WorkingtonYarmouth Those with an * are tracks Ken rode at that Jimmy Squibb didn't. For the record tracks Jimmy rode at that Ken didn't are - Aldershot, Bradford Greenfields, Cardiff, Hastings, Hull Heddon, Rye House Stadium, Tamworth, Wombwell Ken did better than I thought. Interesting that neither raced at the bulk of the SAL tracks nor Cowdenbeath, Ashington and Newtongrange. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted July 21, 2016 I've got 64 (plus 2 in the Republic of Ireland) for Ken McKinlay - Ashfield, Barrow Holker, Belle Vue (Hyde), Berwick (Shielfield), Boston, Bradford Odsal, Bristol Knowle, Canterbury, Coatbridge, Coventry Cradley Heath, Crayford, Crewe, Dunmore Belfast *, Eastbourne, Edinburgh OMB, Ellesmere Port, Exeter, Fleetwood, Glasgow Hampden Glasgow White City, Hackney, Halifax, Harringay, Hull Boulevard, Ipswich, King's Lynn 1965 on, Leicester Stadium, Liverpool, Long Eaton Middlesbrough, Mildenhall *, Motherwell, New Cross, Newcastle Brough, Newport, Norwich, Oxford, Paisley *, Perry Barr Birmingham, Alex Gnds Birmingham Peterborough, Pymouth, Poole, Rayleigh, Reading Tilehurst, Rye House Hoddesdon (73+), Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Southampton, St Austell, Stoke Hanley Stoke Loomer Rd, Sunderland, Swindon, Walthamstow, Wembley, West Ham, Weymouth, Wigan Poolstock *, Wimbledon, Wolverhampton, Workington Yarmouth Those with an * are tracks Ken rode at that Jimmy Squibb didn't. For the record tracks Jimmy rode at that Ken didn't are - Aldershot, Bradford Greenfields, Cardiff, Hastings, Hull Heddon, Rye House Stadium, Tamworth, Wombwell Ken did better than I thought. Interesting that neither raced at the bulk of the SAL tracks nor Cowdenbeath, Ashington and Newtongrange. The Cardiff meeting that Ken participated in on 18th October 1951 was a Best Pairs event, in which he partnered Tommy Miller. Ken scored 4 and Tommy 10. Gerald Pugh and Bob Jones won the event after a run-off with Charlie May and Arthur Pilgrim, after both pairs scored 25, with Howdy Byford and Eric Chitty third on 22. The programme for the Cardiff meeting included a pen portrait of Ken McKinlay (spelt McKinley throughout): 'A novice discovery of promoter Ian Hoskins, it took Ken quite a while to prove if given the chance he would make the grade. This season has been his best ever, and being young there is no reason why he should not reach the top flight. Is reputed to possess a fine singing voice.' tmc referred to Ken and Reg Luckhurst, another fine singer, in an earlier post, I wonder if they ever took the opportunity to duet in later years. It was very apt that the Cardiff crowd were also graced with the presence of Howdy Byford, yet another singing speedway star. I wonder if Ken rode in any of the open licence meetings at Hamilton in the late 1940s/early 1950s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest compost Posted July 22, 2016 Thanks BL65 for the correction re Cardiff - I didn't have time to review all the pdf files on the researcher so missed that one as Ken & Tommy Miller were down as representing Scotland (and not Glasgow). I did review what I could regarding Hamilton (details are included in the Glasgow files on the Researcher website) and McKinlay didn't appear in a team event there, though I've only come across details for meetings from the mid 1950's not the late40's/early 50's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Brilliant work! One best pairs meeting at Cardiff - what a find! Many thanks. I have also now noticed that the Speedway Researcher site shows that Ken McKinlay rode at Bothwell on Saturday 26th November 1949, scoring 8 points for Bothwell Bull against Will Lowther Select. Tommy Miller also rode in the meeting. This meeting was advertised in the Bellshill Speaker And Mid-Lanarkshire Gazette newspaper on Friday 25th November 1949 as follows: 'BOTHWELL PARK MOTORCYCLE CLUB presents to SPEEDWAY FANS On Saturday, Nov. 26, 1949 - at 2.15 p.m. BOTHWELL BULLS v WILL LOWTHER SELECT (Capt. Ken McKinlay) (including Alec Grant etc) Under S.A.C.U. G.C. Rules AT BOTHWELL PARK TRACK - BOTHWELL. Come and See Will Lowther's Select. Come and Hear Our Announcer, Wee Joe Crowther. Come and Cheer Scotland's Newest Team - The Bothwell Bulls. Make Sure of Your Ticket Now. Admission - Adults, 1/6; Juveniles, 9d. S.A.C.U. Restricted G.T. 178/49/A Reserved Tickets from N. Mcreadie c/o Barr, Fishmonger, Main Street, Bellshill' Presumably the promoter was 'angling' for a good crowd. The Bellshill Speaker And Mid-Lanarkshire Gazette newspaper carried further advertisements on 10th and 17th March 1950 for the Bothwell Bull Pairs meeting to be held at Bothwell Park track on Saturday18th March 1950 at 3.00 p.m., featuring 'Ken McKinlay, Gundy Harris, Willie Gordon, Tommy Miller and all tomorrow's stars'. The newspaper also carried a report the following week on the Best Pairs meeting, in which it was recorded that Ken McKinlay was a victim of bike failure and he had to retire early on in the racing. The meeting was won by Tommy Miller and Duncan Hendry. Edited July 27, 2016 by BL65 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Siggytastic 180 Posted August 7, 2016 Reading my Backtrack (again) , should Ipswich be on the list twice as same stadium but two tracks, the old larger one or the one John Berry put inside the old? The title is tracks not stadium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted August 7, 2016 (edited) Reading my Backtrack (again) , should Ipswich be on the list twice as same stadium but two tracks, the old larger one or the one John Berry put inside the old? The title is tracks not stadium. I had a similar discussion with tmc, but regarding Wimbledon, as Rob Hollingworth rode on both the proper track (in use until 1991) and the interior track (2002 to 2005). His decision was same stadium only counts as one track. On the other hand, if one stadium is adjacent to the other, i.e. Weymouth, Glasgow Blantyre, Rye House, Buxton, etc, then that's two tracks. It would open up a minefield if different layouts of track within the same stadium were counted as different tracks. All the best Rob Edited August 7, 2016 by lucifer sam 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted August 7, 2016 I had a similar discussion with tmc, but regarding Wimbledon, as Rob Hollingworth rode on both the proper track (in use until 1991) and the interior track (2002 to 2005). His decision was same stadium only counts as one track. On the other hand, if one stadium is adjacent to the other, i.e. Weymouth, Glasgow Blantyre, Rye House, Buxton, etc, then that's two tracks. It would open up a minefield if different layouts of track within the same stadium were counted as different tracks. All the best Rob Great list but did Bob Coles ride at Great Yarmouth as quoted? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
