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[The Voice Of Reason 2,124]

I must drive past at least 10 farms on my way to work (in Warwickshire).

 

Pre-elections, I haven't seen ANY without a 'Vote Conservative' poster on display.

 

Pre-Brexit, the posters and signs had changed to 'Vote Out'.

 

Let them all 'reap what they've sown'......literally.

 

I couldn't personally give a damn about this forever-bleating "we're so hard done by" sector of our industry if I'm honest.

[Humphrey Appleby 13,971]

Fact,one in ten dairy farms have shut in the UK in the past three years.

My facts are also based on actually talking to farmers

Whilst it's true dairy farming and some other farming sectors have gone through a rationalisation process in recent years, it's largely been down the fact there were too many smallish farms unable to benefit from economies of scale. I do know a couple of dairy farmers, and they were saying 20 years ago that you either had to buy out your neighbour or go to the wall.

 

I suspect dairy farmers were propped up for years by having a guaranteed market, and whilst it's sad that many couldn't continue, I'm sure most didn't share the same sentiments when industrial workers were losing their jobs because the government refused to subsidise their industries.

 

And given the apparent widespread support amongst farmers for Brexit despite benefitting from the CAP for years, I'm afraid they reap what they sow.

[Starman2006 2,356]

I must drive past at least 10 farms on my way to work (in Warwickshire).

 

Pre-elections, I haven't seen ANY without a 'Vote Conservative' poster on display.

 

Pre-Brexit, the posters and signs had changed to 'Vote Out'.

 

Let them all 'reap what they've sown'......literally.

 

I couldn't personally give a damn about this forever-bleating "we're so hard done by" sector of our industry if I'm honest.

Everybody knew when, we got out of the EU there would be lean times. But leaving the EU wasn't just all about money. Getting away from that little pow wow and the clutches of Cameron and that other idiot Osbourne who were both sailing this country down the river without a paddle. But they failed in there attempt to get the vote they wanted from the British people. ah, how sad. By by Cameron and Osbourne.. s

We will be better off without those two, the economy is doing ok, but it will not be a five minute job. In the meantime those that voted in are throwing there toys out the pram. Bless.

Edited October 31, 2016 by Starman2006

[JOS50 150]

Everybody knew when, we got out of the EU there would be lean times. But leaving the EU wasn't just all about money. Getting away from that little pow wow and the clutches of Cameron and that other idiot Osbourne who were both sailing this country down the river without a paddle. But they failed in there attempt to get the vote they wanted from the British people. ah, how sad. By by Cameron and Osbourne.. s

We will be better off without those two, the economy is doing ok, but it will not be a five minute job. In the meantime those that voted in are throwing there toys out the pram. Bless.

Dross

[Starman2006 2,356]

Dross

But correct.

[JOS50 150]

But correct.

bet you can't find many educated people to back you up

[g13webb 4,254]

bet you can't find many educated people to back you up

 

I wouldn't be too sure of that...... Cant believe I agreed with Starman, but they were some of the truest words he has said

[dj350z 2,266]

VOR?

 

Fact,one in ten dairy farms have shut in the UK in the past three years.

My facts are also based on actually talking to farmers,do you?

 

As I already said most farmers are not rich land owners but are tenants who are seriously struggling to make a living.

 

Your small minded view of them all being rich land owning gentry is so stereo typical.

 

 

 

Welcome to the world of manufacturing where in the main, companies have to compete globally to win business! What makes farmers a special case that they should receive subsidies whether it be from the EU or the British government?

[E I Addio 15,849]

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Edited November 1, 2016 by E I Addio

[E I Addio 15,849]

Whilst it's true dairy farming and some other farming sectors have gone through a rationalisation process in recent years, it's largely been down the fact there were too many smallish farms unable to benefit from economies of scale. I do know a couple of dairy farmers, and they were saying 20 years ago that you either had to buy out your neighbour or go to the wall.

I suspect dairy farmers were propped up for years by having a guaranteed market, and whilst it's sad that many couldn't continue, I'm sure most didn't share the same sentiments when industrial workers were losing their jobs because the government refused to subsidise their industries.

And given the apparent widespread support amongst farmers for Brexit despite benefitting from the CAP for years, I'm afraid they reap what they sow.

We expect the ill informed politics of envy from V.O.R. but you must surely know that farming subsidies are an al most world wide phenomenon. The USA spends around $20billion. p.a on subsidies and Japan around $43 billion which is more than the whole of the EU spends including spending on inefficient French farmers. EU farming subsidies have been reduced considerably in recent years but the whole issue of subsidies is immensely complicated and not capable of easy dismantling. There is far more to the problem than blaming allegedly greedy farmers for depending on handouts. Edited November 1, 2016 by E I Addio

[Humphrey Appleby 13,971]

We expect the ill informed politics of envy from V.O.R. but you must surely know that farming subsidies are an al most world wide phenomenon. The USA spends around $20billion. p.a on subsidies and Japan around $43 billion which is more than the whole of the EU spends including spending on inefficient French farmers. EU farming subsidies have been reduced considerably in recent years but the whole issue of subsidies is immensely complicated and not capable of easy dismantling. There is far more to the problem than blaming allegedly greedy farmers for depending on handouts.

If the EU isn't spending anywhere near as much as other countries then why are people complaining so much? Do they not think there are inefficient farmers there as well!

 

I didn't call the UK farmers greedy, but it is astonishing how they expect handouts whilst continually complaining about their lot, yet are strong supporters of governments otherwise opposed to industrial subsidies. Of course I'm aware that farming is based around long term inflexible cycles, vagaries of the weather, and it's important to maintain the food supply (even if it results in overproduction), but the hypocrisy is still incredible. They'll be the first in the queue for handouts from the UK government when their CAP subsidies disappear - so much for spending it on the NHS.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[E I Addio 15,849]

If the EU isn't spending anywhere near as much as other countries then why are people complaining so much? Do they not think there are inefficient farmers there as well!

 

I didn't say the EU isn't spending as much as other countries I said that Japan (that is one country ) spends more than the entire EU. Not sure how you make the jump from there to saying the EU isn't spending anywhere near as much as other countries.

 

Obviously there are inefficient as well as efficient farmers as in other any industry , but the EU in its wisdom has decided subsidies are the way to go not just in the UK but all over Europe. I dint see why the UK farmers should be deemed to be any less efficient than those anywhere else in Europe but the Voice of (Un)Reason seems to have a bee in his bonnet because UK farmers who vote Conservative get subsidies but he has no comment about French farmers under a Socialist government, who have long been among the most inefficient also getting subsidies. Almost everywhere in the developed world subsidies go with farming . Rightly or wrongly that's the way it is. You can't blame the UK farmers for accepting them when most others around the world get it.