chunky 6,120 Posted December 21, 2016 (1969/88 B.L. (20) Briggs,Mauger,Michanek,Penhall,Lee,Collins,Nielsen, Gundersen,Carter,Crump,Sanders,E..Boocock,Sigalos,T.Jansson,Autrey,Jessup ,Ashby,R.Wilson,Boulger,Simmons. When I said "BL era", I meant the years 1965-1990... My list for that would be (in no order): 1 - Ivan Mauger 2 - Barry Briggs 3 - Bruce Penhall 4 - Ole Olsen 5 - Hans Nielsen 6 - Erik Gundersen 7 - Phil Crump 8 - Nigel Boocock 9 - Ken McKinlay 10 - Peter Collins 11 - Eric Boocock 12 - Michael Lee 13 - Malcolm Simmons 14 - Anders Michanek 15 - Kenny Carter 16 - Torbjorn Harrysson 17 - Gote Nordin 18 - Ray Wilson 19 - Dave Jessup 20 - Jim Airey Honourable mentions for Morton (not Wal or Val), Sanders, Ashby, Knudsen, Autrey, Bengt Jansson, Shawn Moran, Sigalos, Louis, and Sjosten. Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted December 21, 2016 Honourable mentions for Morton (not Wal or Val), Sanders, Ashby, Knudsen, Autrey, Bengt Jansson, Shawn Moran, Sigalos, Louis, and Sjosten. Steve That'll be Dave then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,120 Posted December 21, 2016 That'll be Dave then? Of course not! It's my old mate Ray! Steve 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOBBATH 467 Posted December 21, 2016 Re Sidney the Robins' post on Dec 18th-while I appreciate being mentioned in the same breath as for example such luminaries as that young guy Norbold, et al., I must disagree that I am an elder statesman- I'm only 70 FFS-although I will admit to being on the cusp of middle age. I reckon to be considered an elder statesman you have to be 90 at least so I reckon Split Waterman qualifies as does Chuck Berry. Having said that I was in UK enjoying speedway only for the period 1964-68. However- I do agree with comments that Bjorn Knutsson was a giant of that period-I was privileged to see him win the World Title in 65 at my first visit to Wembley. I do miss the excitement of the one-off World Finals , although I accept that there were a few top guys who missed out winning due to engine failure etc. e.g. Dave Jessup, or falls e.g. Graham Warren, and others won only because it was held on their own "home" track e.g. Egon Muller imho Don't follow the current GP system-think its daft that you can become Champ without winning a single Grand Prix e.g. Mark Loram As others have said this is a great thread with interesting lists from all and I have enjoyed reading the various erudite (that word again) postings. I undertake to contact Split and Chuck and ask them what they drink-I will share the findings with forumlanders so that we can all order a case of it!!! P.S. The last WF I attended was in L.A. in 1982-another great one!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) When I said "BL era", I meant the years 1965-1990... My list for that would be (in no order): 1 - Ivan Mauger 2 - Barry Briggs 3 - Bruce Penhall 4 - Ole Olsen 5 - Hans Nielsen 6 - Erik Gundersen 7 - Phil Crump 8 - Nigel Boocock 9 - Ken McKinlay 10 - Peter Collins 11 - Eric Boocock 12 - Michael Lee 13 - Malcolm Simmons 14 - Anders Michanek 15 - Kenny Carter 16 - Torbjorn Harrysson 17 - Gote Nordin 18 - Ray Wilson 19 - Dave Jessup 20 - Jim Airey Honourable mentions for Morton (not Wal or Val), Sanders, Ashby, Knudsen, Autrey, Bengt Jansson, Shawn Moran, Sigalos, Louis, and Sjosten. Steve An interesting list but no real use in regard to the search for the era 1969-1988 which is what this thread is trying to analyse. Edited December 21, 2016 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Surely chris morton needs to make that list, ahead of say Boulger or Ashby? Nice list though Sid. I am bias and you are right Chris should be in it. Ashby i suppose to be honest never showed his full worth he was a member of the 75 Norden winning side also that meeting he won a prestigious Victor Ludorum second halve final.Overall Martin underachieved for me he was one hell of a good rider.Boulger i have always rated tough to beat tough/as old boots and over that period he could beat everyone he was often overshadowed by Crump/Sanders John was a super rider in his own right. Edited December 21, 2016 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Re Sidney the Robins' post on Dec 18th-while I appreciate being mentioned in the same breath as for example such luminaries as that young guy Norbold, et al., I must disagree that I am an elder statesman- I'm only 70 FFS-although I will admit to being on the cusp of middle age. I reckon to be considered an elder statesman you have to be 90 at least so I reckon Split Waterman qualifies as does Chuck Berry. Having said that I was in UK enjoying speedway only for the period 1964-68. However- I do agree with comments that Bjorn Knutsson was a giant of that period-I was privileged to see him win the World Title in 65 at my first visit to Wembley. I do miss the excitement of the one-off World Finals , although I accept that there were a few top guys who missed out winning due to engine failure etc. e.g. Dave Jessup, or falls e.g. Graham Warren, and others won only because it was held on their own "home" track e.g. Egon Muller imho Don't follow the current GP system-think its daft that you can become Champ without winning a single Grand Prix e.g. Mark Loram As others have said this is a great thread with interesting lists from all and I have enjoyed reading the various erudite (that word again) postings. I undertake to contact Split and Chuck and ask them what they drink-I will share the findings with forumlanders so that we can all order a case of it!!! P.S. The last WF I attended was in L.A. in 1982-another great one!! Now, now Bob Bath! Somebody will mention names like Tommy Price and Freddie Williams! Oops! That's just what I seem to have done! Edited December 21, 2016 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Re Sidney the Robins' post on Dec 18th-while I appreciate being mentioned in the same breath as for example such luminaries as that young guy Norbold, et al., I must disagree that I am an elder statesman- I'm only 70 FFS-although I will admit to being on the cusp of middle age. I reckon to be considered an elder statesman you have to be 90 at least so I reckon Split Waterman qualifies as does Chuck Berry. Having said that I was in UK enjoying speedway only for the period 1964-68. However- I do agree with comments that Bjorn Knutsson was a giant of that period-I was privileged to see him win the World Title in 65 at my first visit to Wembley. I do miss the excitement of the one-off World Finals , although I accept that there were a few top guys who missed out winning due to engine failure etc. e.g. Dave Jessup, or falls e.g. Graham Warren, and others won only because it was held on their own "home" track e.g. Egon Muller imho Don't follow the current GP system-think its daft that you can become Champ without winning a single Grand Prix e.g. Mark Loram As others have said this is a great thread with interesting lists from all and I have enjoyed reading the various erudite (that word again) postings. I undertake to contact Split and Chuck and ask them what they drink-I will share the findings with forumlanders so that we can all order a case of it!!! P.S. The last WF I attended was in L.A. in 1982-another great one!! God you ent much older than me BOBBATH 😜anyway have a nice christmas.😂 Edited December 21, 2016 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,120 Posted December 22, 2016 An interesting list but no real use in regard to the search for the era 1969-1988 which is what this thread is trying to analyse. Sincerest apologies for being "no real use" in your quest to analyse... Steve 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew 125 Posted December 22, 2016 69/88 I Mauger O Olsen Pe Collins M Lee D Jessup C Morton S Wigg K Tatum K Carter P Crump B Sanders S Moran K Moran B Penhall D Sigalos S Ermolenko H Nielsen E Gundersen Jo Pedersen T Knudsen 89/16 H Nielsen S Ermolenko Jo Pedersen P Jonsson G Havelock M Loram T Rickardsson J Crump L Adams G Hancock B Hamill N Pedersen T Gollob J Hampel A Jonsson N K Iversen T Woffinden C Holder D Ward E Sayfutdinov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) When I said "BL era", I meant the years 1965-1990... My list for that would be (in no order): 1 - Ivan Mauger 2 - Barry Briggs 3 - Bruce Penhall 4 - Ole Olsen 5 - Hans Nielsen 6 - Erik Gundersen 7 - Phil Crump 8 - Nigel Boocock 9 - Ken McKinlay 10 - Peter Collins 11 - Eric Boocock 12 - Michael Lee 13 - Malcolm Simmons 14 - Anders Michanek 15 - Kenny Carter 16 - Torbjorn Harrysson 17 - Gote Nordin 18 - Ray Wilson 19 - Dave Jessup 20 - Jim Airey Honourable mentions for Morton (not Wal or Val), Sanders, Ashby, Knudsen, Autrey, Bengt Jansson, Shawn Moran, Sigalos, Louis, and Sjosten. Steve An interesting list but no real use in regard to the search for the era 1969-1988 which is what this thread is trying to analyse. Sincerest apologies for being "no real use" in your quest to analyse... Steve I do owe you an apology by the look of things chunky. My response to your submission does indeed look that way. I would reiterate - the list you provided for 1965-90 was extremely interesting and like other Posters I found it of great merit. All I was trying to say was that period you submitted does not allow for amalgamation in regard to that currently under debate which is 1969-88. The hard and dedicated work that you obviously put in to compile your chart in to be commended and that fact is fully appreciated by myself. Edited December 22, 2016 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Sincerest apologies for being "no real use" in your quest to analyse... Steve No Tommy J , Steve ? that surprised me as you love your Wimbledon Dons.I suppose it is you having an opinion without having your Bias head on unlike me concerning Martin Ashby eh!!😀😜 Edited December 22, 2016 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,120 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) No Tommy J , Steve ? that surprised me as you love your Wimbledon Dons.I suppose it is you having an opinion without having your Bias head on unlike me concerning Martin Ashby eh!! I do try to use my head rather than my heart, particularly when it involves a "genuine" contender like Tommy. Had he continued the form he was showing at the time of his tragic accident - even for two or three years - he would have been a definite on my list, but potential is a difficult thing to judge. Of course, after we lost Tommy, your boy Martin was the most popular rider at Plough Lane in 1976! Funny thing is that, while Tommy showed perhaps a little more brilliance in his short career, the longevity and consistency of Martin's career would realistically see him classed as "better" than Tommy - in MY opinion. Steve Edited December 22, 2016 by chunky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) I do try to use my head rather than my heart, particularly when it involves a "genuine" contender like Tommy. Had he continued the form he was showing at the time of his tragic accident - even for two or three years - he would have been a definite on my list, but potential is a difficult thing to judge. Of course, after we lost Tommy, your boy Martin was the most popular rider at Plough Lane in 1976! Funny thing is that, while Tommy showed perhaps a little more brilliance in his short career, the longevity and consistency of Martin's career would realistically see him classed as "better" than Tommy - in MY opinion. Steve Tommy had real class and i am convinced he would of been a World Champion.To think he could of been still around in the late 80s/90s real class had everything.Chuffed i actually see him ride in the Helmet against crash and beat him in the decider at Cradley often. think what he could of achieved.?😀 Edited December 23, 2016 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 26, 2016 The latest era discussed is for 1969-88. From the excellent rider lists so far submitted, has any member managed to devise a collective assessment for this era please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
