foreverblue Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Saw a comment earlier in th e thread that mentioned Matt Ford wanting seven riders where possible as he feels less 'short changes' the fans... Not sure if that really is Matts opinion obviously as never seen him directly quoted... However, if it is, I am surprised, as generally I feel he has s good angle on what fans want from the sport.. Meetings ran with guests naturally bring zero credibility to the event and renders it nonsense from a professional sport angle, so it would R/R for me every time anyone is missing.... You will still get four riders in every race, and 15 heats of racing, so no one will get 'short changed' and the meeting keeps it credibility.. It would also mean 'missed flights, dodgy sick notes, Polish teams calling riders back' etc etc no longer get used as reasons for guests. All of which currently adds fuel to the 'Mickey Mouse' perception of the sport... On the Poole site he says he prefers 7 rider teams and doesn't like using r/r that us why he would prefer a guest rather than r/r. That might have carried some relevance if Tai had been scheduled to ride in the same meeting as KK - but he wasn't!!! Poole had a facility granted to cover for KK. That decision was confirmed by the SCB in the morning of the 2 meetings and was still valid for both meetings. As for the Oaktree meeting, MF stated afterwards (Poole website) that in hindsight Poole should have gone for r/r but he usually opts to go with 7 riders whenever available - hence using Garrity who was considered to be the best available guest of those riders able and willing to take the booking at such short notice. No BV or Wolves riders wanted to do it!!! In hindsight again its a shame the KL v RH meeting wasn't rained off earlier as that would have given more (better?) guest options. I know Tai was having a little joke but he has a point if he can get back why couldn't KK, my guess is he wasn't too keen on riding at Somerset and would rather put his feet up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 I know Tai was having a little joke but he has a point if he can get back why couldn't KK, my guess is he wasn't too keen on riding at Somerset and would rather put his feet up. SCB already confirmed their were flights available. He just couldn't be bothered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 That might have carried some relevance if Tai had been scheduled to ride in the same meeting as KK - but he wasn't!!! Poole had a facility granted to cover for KK. That decision was confirmed by the SCB in the morning of the 2 meetings and was still valid for both meetings. As for the Oaktree meeting, MF stated afterwards (Poole website) that in hindsight Poole should have gone for r/r but he usually opts to go with 7 riders whenever available - hence using Garrity who was considered to be the best available guest of those riders able and willing to take the booking at such short notice. No BV or Wolves riders wanted to do it!!! In hindsight again its a shame the KL v RH meeting wasn't rained off earlier as that would have given more (better?) guest options. Skidder I`m highlighting this line you have posted " Poole had a facility granted to cover for KK. That decision was confirmed by the SCB in the morning of the 2 meetings and was still valid for both meetings." I understand that licensed Speedway officals were told by presumably licensed Poole officals that KK`s Polish meeting was called off at 7 pm on Thursday rather than the correct time of approximately 11.30 am UK time ? I wonder why that was !! I said yesterday that it was fishy- and it appears to be getting fishier by the minute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Poole always manage a dodgy point or two every season, that's why you simply have to detest them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Skidder I`m highlighting this line you have posted " Poole had a facility granted to cover for KK. That decision was confirmed by the SCB in the morning of the 2 meetings and was still valid for both meetings." I understand that licensed Speedway officals were told by presumably licensed Poole officals that KK`s Polish meeting was called off at 7 pm on Thursday rather than the correct time of approximately 11.30 am UK time ? I wonder why that was !! I said yesterday that it was fishy- and it appears to be getting fishier by the minute. Heres the problem with the rules. Once a decision has been made it can't be changed. So all clubs have to do is lie and by the time the lie has been found out it's too late to do anything about it these days. Shocking. I was told 2pm Thursday KK was "available" but wouldn't be there. How odd that ended up being true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) Heres the problem with the rules. Once a decision has been made it can't be changed. So all clubs have to do is lie and by the time the lie has been found out it's too late to do anything about it these days. Shocking. I was told 2pm Thursday KK was "available" but wouldn't be there. How odd that ended up being true. So what should be done about it ? Poole fined for bringing the sport into disrepute ? KK suspended ? At the very least a combined statement from Poole/BSPA/SCB is desired. Edited April 16, 2017 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) So what should be done about it ? Poole fined for bring the sport into disrepute ? KK suspended ? At the very least a combined statement from Poole/BSPA/SCB is desired. No independent body running the sport equals no consequence to clubs whose actions either undermines the sport or brings it in to disrepute.. Whilst 'self governing' continues to go on we will always have what we have always got... Which is vested interest influencing every decision, with a 'toothless' top table trying desperately to uphold some integrity within the sport.. No way to run a professional sporting league.... Even my lads U14 Sunday League has consequence for teams not following rules around the players they put out on the pitch. Failing to turn up is not given a 'facility' but a 'fine'.... Edited April 16, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Personally I don't see the point of signing any rider if there not committed to ride at least 99% of the meetings in the UK and that includes GP riders, Poles or riders in the junior development league. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idh Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Some photo's from Friday http://ihitchcock.zenfolio.com/poole_v_somerset_sgbp 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Some photo's from Friday http://ihitchcock.zenfolio.com/poole_v_somerset_sgbp Some great photo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Some photo's from Friday http://ihitchcock.zenfolio.com/poole_v_somerset_sgbp Pretty impressed you managed to some of Bish working. You didn't catch him trying to start bike without fuel though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroundtheboards Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) What people don't seem to realise is that it is not just the team who engages a disloyal and regularly absent rider that misses out, it is also the supporters of their apposition that miss out as well after paying good money to see top riders in action. it is bad enough seeing guests for the apposition one night in their team riding against you and then the next night riding against you for somebody else !!! We are being sold short !!! I know this isn't the guests fault it is the system to blame. Right correct thread this time !After going to both meetings seems Poole made a slightly better effort to keep the dust down slightly. OTA was a shambles dust wise , the only time the bowser came out later on in the meeting it covered about a 6ft wide near the airfence. Next race all 4 riders stuck to the inside so more eye irritating dust. Even the kid on the bike before the meeting was kicking up dust , its hard to believe such a good track can have a curator/management that has such disregard for its preparation. Must try harder. Somerset were just giving Poole some of their own medicine and the Rebels wanted it that way !!! Their prerogative, live with it and stop whinging. There's always a moan with Poole !!! You can't even WIN gracefully and hold your hand out and say well done, pathetic !!! I notice you haven't seen any moans from the Somerset Faithful !!! You Dorset Wallah's must have bloody miserable lives. Although Garry May comes from that neck of the woods, he's as happy as a pig in the proverbial at the moment !!! Enjoy your Speedway, when you get your own way !!! Which won't happen !!! Edited April 17, 2017 by Aroundtheboards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 What people don't seem to realise is that it is not just the team who engages a disloyal and regularly absent rider that misses out, it is also the supporters of their apposition that miss out as well after paying good money to see top riders in action. it is bad enough seeing guests for the apposition one night in their team riding against you and then the next night riding against you for somebody else !!! We are being sold short !!! I know this isn't the guests fault it is the system to blame. Somerset were just giving Poole some of their own medicine and the Rebels wanted it that way !!! Their prerogative, live with it and stop whinging. There's always a moan with Poole !!! You can't even WIN gracefully and hold your hand out and say well done, pathetic !!! I notice you haven't seen any moans from the Somerset Faithful !!! You Dorset Wallah's must have bloody miserable lives. Although Garry May comes from that neck of the woods, he's as happy as a pig in the proverbial at the moment !!! Enjoy your Speedway, when you get your own way !!! Which won't happen !!! Happy with Nicolai Klindt at least!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroundtheboards Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Happy with Nicolai Klindt at least!! Very Happy !!! But we aren't the ones moaning, we play the cards we are dealt !!! Dust, warts, guests and all !!! Edited April 17, 2017 by Aroundtheboards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the rebel Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 It was heavily watered from 7am.You go tell Gerald and Neil then. Clearly you know better.... Not. starman the track was in a bad state but it allways is on gd Friday day meeting at poole.we were there on bend 1 and u could not see with the dust it was not gd my 6 year old could not see as the dust kept on going in his eyes and mine for that matter. the racing was poor as the track was so dry and u could see BLUE GROVE from heat 3 u could not race on that track gd Friday gatter won apart from heat12 something has to be done for day meetings at poole 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 starman the track was in a bad state but it allways is on gd Friday day meeting at poole.we were there on bend 1 and u could not see with the dust it was not gd my 6 year old could not see as the dust kept on going in his eyes and mine for that matter. the racing was poor as the track was so dry and u could see BLUE GROVE from heat 3 u could not race on that track gd Friday gatter won apart from heat12 something has to be done for day meetings at poole There is only one day meeting at Poole a year! Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 There is only one day meeting at Poole a year! Lol. So they have a year at a time to get it right! Makes it even worse!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 So they have a year at a time to get it right! Makes it even worse!!The track conditions at Poole were marginally better than the Evening meeting at Somerset. So trees, why are you not having a go at them instead of Poole? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 As a neutral I was at both and enjoyed both meetings but the Somerset meeting and track was far better than the Poole one. The thing is the meeting at Poole was pretty much standard for what I've seen there, not brilliant but not bad whereas the meeting at Somerset was a bit below the usual standard but still some cracking racing. My view only but as said I'm a neutral with no bias either way 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 starman the track was in a bad state but it allways is on gd Friday day meeting at poole.we were there on bend 1 and u could not see with the dust it was not gd my 6 year old could not see as the dust kept on going in his eyes and mine for that matter. the racing was poor as the track was so dry and u could see BLUE GROVE from heat 3 u could not race on that track gd Friday gatter won apart from heat12 something has to be done for day meetings at poole If you know the track 'is always bad on Good Friday morning', then why on earth would you and your 6 year old go and stand on the first bend!! Plenty of other non-dust viewing areas!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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