Starman2006 2,356 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ray c said: How do you improve as a rider when you already been world champion ? Ray, Chris has been through a lot since he was world champ. No, you cannot take that away from him, but he now needs to recapture the sort of form that made him world champ, and if/ no, when he raises his average this season it will be deemed as an improvement. Chris needs to enjoy his racing again, there is no presure on him whatsoever from the club, he just needs to go out and do what he does best. a fit and focused Chris Holder would still top the championship standings and put a big hole and give these young upstarts a run for there money in the GP's. Form is temparary class is permanant.. Edited March 5, 2018 by Starman2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ABS 231 Posted March 5, 2018 I'm biased, I know, but for me it will be Dan Bewley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, foreverblue said: He won't improve his average this year maybe drop a little Hmmmm I can see Bellego finishing higher in the averages than three of Poole’s top five. Woryna, Grajkzonek and Sundstrom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: For the millionth time people are fed up with the system, not the team(s) taking advantage of it. Keeps falling on deaf ears 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Starman2006 said: Ray, Chris has been through a lot since he was world champ. No, you cannot take that away from him, but he now needs to recapture the sort of form that made him world champ, and if/ no, when he raises his average this season it will be deemed as an improvement. Chris needs to enjoy his racing again, there is no presure on him whatsoever from the club, he just needs to go out and do what he does best. a fit and focused Chris Holder would still top the championship standings and put a big hole and give these young upstarts a run for there money in the GP's. Form is temparary class is permanant.. What Holder needs to and does do are 2 different things, the injuries he received at Coventry seemed to mentally affect his riding, then the dreadful accident to his best pal seemed to amplify this. Does C Holder have the ability.............YES......Does C Holder have the mental ability..................we will have to wait and see. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted March 5, 2018 The only way that We the fans can get any fairness from this topic, is to agree an average for Poole's 2 Poles, say both on a 6 or 7 point average and not the silly low average they have been allowed on. On that basis I would expect Dan Bewley,J Shanes M Fricke, Zach from Swindon, Jake Allen,Jack Holder and Cameron Heaps, there are others but only if their away form drastically improves ie R Tungate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: For the millionth time people are fed up with the system, not the team(s) taking advantage of it. Precisely. At least it is a level playing field for all teams. I am simply exacerbated that Swindon didn't utilise this, especially after winning the league with a ringer last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Starman2006 said: Ray, Chris has been through a lot since he was world champ. No, you cannot take that away from him, but he now needs to recapture the sort of form that made him world champ, and if/ no, when he raises his average this season it will be deemed as an improvement. Chris needs to enjoy his racing again, there is no presure on him whatsoever from the club, he just needs to go out and do what he does best. a fit and focused Chris Holder would still top the championship standings and put a big hole and give these young upstarts a run for there money in the GP's. Form is temparary class is permanant.. I hear what you are saying but at some point all riders go on the downgrade. He is 31 this year , doesnt mean he cant get back to his best but i think those days are gone. He will average around 8 and do well to make top 10 in the gp's World class rider....yes As good as he was..........not in my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Starman2006 said: Chris needs to enjoy his racing again, there is no presure on him whatsoever from the club, he just needs to go out and do what he does best. a fit and focused Chris Holder would still top the championship standings and put a big hole and give these young upstarts a run for there money in the GP's. Form is temparary class is permanant.. I think the management will put plenty of pressure on the riders. They have been signed to perform and not just turn up and ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starboy118 237 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, hyderd said: Keeps falling on deaf ears Pardon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,248 Posted March 5, 2018 Drodz, Allen & Davey who i think will surprise plenty this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gavan said: I hear what you are saying but at some point all riders go on the downgrade. He is 31 this year , doesnt mean he cant get back to his best but i think those days are gone. He will average around 8 and do well to make top 10 in the gp's World class rider....yes As good as he was..........not in my opinion I agree with you, but i still feel he's better than what he's been showing, i would say he could still average at least 8.50 Edited March 5, 2018 by Starman2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: I think the management will put plenty of pressure on the riders. They have been signed to perform and not just turn up and ride. I agree with you, team spirit is all important and yes you need a happy camp, but on the same token they are as you say here to do a job.. We all know Matt.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, hyderd said: What Holder needs to and does do are 2 different things, the injuries he received at Coventry seemed to mentally affect his riding, then the dreadful accident to his best pal seemed to amplify this. Does C Holder have the ability.............YES......Does C Holder have the mental ability..................we will have to wait and see. I agree, his injuries were bad, and mentally that takes it out of you tell me about it, then you had poor Darcy, that would have had an effect, then you have his personal life , and i wouldnt want that myself, yes it all takes its toll. To a certain extent it will all still be there, although we dont have any brick walls to worry about, its a shame about Darcy, but you have to try and put it to the back of your mind as much as you can. His personal life will be resolved... Edited March 5, 2018 by Starman2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,104 Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, DC2 said: Hmmmm I can see Bellego finishing higher in the averages than three of Poole’s top five. Woryna, Grajkzonek and Sundstrom. Really! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites