DC2 11,150 Posted December 2, 2018 After the scandals involving Batchelor, Miedzinski, Klindt and Morris, it’s about time there were clear rules regarding assets and team-building: any rider (whether an asset or not) who rode for the club this season and who is offered a contract (on the same terms plus inflation) before 1 December must sign for that club or sit out the season; any asset who has not been offered a contract by his parent club before 1 December is free to sign for another club. That would stop poaching and stop clubs sitting on assets and it would encourage loyalty which benefits the fan base. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted December 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, DC2 said: After the scandals involving Batchelor, Miedzinski, Klindt and Morris, it’s about time there were clear rules regarding assets and team-building: any rider (whether an asset or not) who rode for the club this season and who is offered a contract (on the same terms plus inflation) before 1 December must sign for that club or sit out the season; any asset who has not been offered a contract by his parent club before 1 December is free to sign for another club. That would stop poaching and stop clubs sitting on assets and it would encourage loyalty which benefits the fan base. Thats great apart from if a club doesn't have a say on assets away from the club before December the 1st then they might never get a rider they want. Jason Doyle could have been stuck at Leicester for years potentially. Should just be the same as Poland and sweden have a set window and you have to name your team by a set date. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted December 2, 2018 Hmmm! These are self employed riders and employment laws enable them to ride for whoever they want - you can’t force a rider to ride for a specific club - the same way any other employed person can choose who they work for 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted December 2, 2018 43 minutes ago, DC2 said: After the scandals involving Batchelor, Miedzinski, Klindt and Morris, it’s about time there were clear rules regarding assets and team-building: any rider (whether an asset or not) who rode for the club this season and who is offered a contract (on the same terms plus inflation) before 1 December must sign for that club or sit out the season; any asset who has not been offered a contract by his parent club before 1 December is free to sign for another club. That would stop poaching and stop clubs sitting on assets and it would encourage loyalty which benefits the fan base. What 'scandals'? 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve0 said: Hmmm! These are self employed riders and employment laws enable them to ride for whoever they want - you can’t force a rider to ride for a specific club - the same way any other employed person can choose who they work for But promoters can delay making their rider asset available to others until their 1-7 is confirmed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steve0 said: Hmmm! These are self employed riders and employment laws enable them to ride for whoever they want - you can’t force a rider to ride for a specific club - the same way any other employed person can choose who they work for Not forcing a rider to ride for a club, just making it a rule that he will have to sit out a year if he doesn’t. A similar rule to a team-building points limit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted December 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, DC2 said: After the scandals involving Batchelor, Miedzinski, Klindt and Morris, it’s about time there were clear rules regarding assets and team-building: any rider (whether an asset or not) who rode for the club this season and who is offered a contract (on the same terms plus inflation) before 1 December must sign for that club or sit out the season; any asset who has not been offered a contract by his parent club before 1 December is free to sign for another club. That would stop poaching and stop clubs sitting on assets and it would encourage loyalty which benefits the fan base. There already is a window until 1st January. But rider's cannot legally be forced into contracts they don't want, that's totally against slavery laws. It should always remain rider choice where they want to be. If rider's want to move on because of better pay or they feel more wanted then so be it. If Morris is offered £100 per point and Poole offer £200 why shouldn't he be allowed to move?? If there's companies out there offering you better wages you move on, it's as simple as that to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, DC2 said: Not forcing a rider to ride for a club, just making it a rule that he will have to sit out a year if he doesn’t. A similar rule to a team-building points limit. That's blackmail and slavery all in one. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: That's blackmail and slavery all in one. That’s a Sun headline. It’s neither blackmail, nor slavery, is it. I don’t know if it’s contrary to employment law. In many employment contracts there are restraint of trade and non-competition clauses and in football, for example, there are transfer windows and Cup-tied rules which include an element of restraint of trade. In speedway, averages, assessed averages, CL/PL conversion rates and team-building limits are effectively restraint of trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,824 Posted December 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: What 'scandals'? My sentiment too. The only ‘scandal’ of any description was AM and Poole forcing a deal against the wishes of his parent club Swindon. Its been clear since that ‘scandal’ that riders will go where they want and the rider asset system is disrespected by riders and clubs. Its no scandal today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, DC2 said: That’s a Sun headline. It’s neither blackmail, nor slavery, is it. I don’t know if it’s contrary to employment law. In many employment contracts there are restraint of trade and non-competition clauses and in football, for example, there are transfer windows and Cup-tied rules which include an element of restraint of trade. In speedway, averages, assessed averages, CL/PL conversion rates and team-building limits are effectively restraint of trade. So which bit of "you sign this contract or you're banned for a year" is not blackmailing?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: So which bit of "you sign this contract or you're banned for a year" is not blackmailing?? The whole lot. Don’t make your point with hyperbole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noggin 1,390 Posted December 2, 2018 The biggest issue I see is another club benefiting from a bargain average, Morris rode crap for a season and could potentially now come back an 8 point rider after a year away, thus being worthless,. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, DC2 said: After the scandals involving Batchelor, Miedzinski, Klindt and Morris, it’s about time there were clear rules regarding assets and team-building: any rider (whether an asset or not) who rode for the club this season and who is offered a contract (on the same terms plus inflation) before 1 December must sign for that club or sit out the season; any asset who has not been offered a contract by his parent club before 1 December is free to sign for another club. That would stop poaching and stop clubs sitting on assets and it would encourage loyalty which benefits the fan base. Lets use your scenario Kyle Bickley starts at Worky last year Lets say he was on £40 per point Fast forward 5 years and in order for him not to miss a whole season somewhere along the line he still potentially has to ride for £40 per point even if he progresses to No1 status Bonkers 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted December 2, 2018 Bonkers and speedway..... so an excellent idea 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites