Supersub 79 Posted January 15, 2019 On the Premiership Forum there is a thread on 2019 PL Improvers. What are posters thoughts on this Forum for Championship Improvers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted January 15, 2019 these riders who improve in the championship will be the exact same riders that improve in the premiership . no need for two threads . but thats the way it goes . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted January 15, 2019 Kyle Bickley He will end up with a plus 5 average this year Bradley Wilson Dean is another who will put a point on his average and Steve Worrall will do the same Honestly gutted Regards THJ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerforever 86 Posted January 15, 2019 Paul Starke at Glasgow, Josh Pickering at Edinburgh, Leon Flint at Berwick and Jordan Stewart at Redcar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robinh88 571 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) With the 4 point decrease in overall points limit, shouldn't riders averages improve naturally? Because primarily of a lower standard most seasons? Edited September 10, 2019 by Robinh88 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: With the 4 point decrease in overall points limit shouldn't riders averages improve naturally? Because primarily of a lower standard most seasons? Nah , not really . only the 2/3 pointrs will improve as they are continually up against their fellow 2/3 pointers . top men will NOT improve as they are racing the same guys as last year , but were still beating regular 6 and 7 chaps . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: With the 4 point decrease in overall points limit shouldn't riders averages improve naturally? Because primarily of a lower standard most seasons? I wouldn't say their averages will improve naturally, I think their averages will be forced up,,, and may lead to them being less employable in the future Edited January 15, 2019 by ruffdiamond 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted January 15, 2019 I hope the new 2 pointers grab their chance and make great strides led by Kemp Bickley and Flint 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HGould 2,213 Posted January 15, 2019 Not sure where Bickley is going to get a ride now Workington have closed and struggled for much of 2018. Best of the NL guys coming up and most likely to progress imho are Kemp and Brennan and Flint. I am fearful some NL to CL are sacrificial lambs to just fill a slot. Looking at those with some CL experience Shanes ; Mountain and Bowtell should improve average considerably. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandelion 775 Posted January 16, 2019 12 hours ago, HGould said: Not sure where Bickley is going to get a ride now Workington have closed and struggled for much of 2018. Best of the NL guys coming up and most likely to progress imho are Kemp and Brennan and Flint. I am fearful some NL to CL are sacrificial lambs to just fill a slot. Looking at those with some CL experience Shanes ; Mountain and Bowtell should improve average considerably. Glasgow will replace Chessell eventually... Kyle Bickley and Joe Lawlor would be a better reserve pair for them anyway... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted January 16, 2019 Think many of the riders with a bit of experience will up their averages nicely like Mountain, Bacon, Bailey, Perks & Wood. Newman is more than capable but might be forced to ride a bit out of position in a poor side. My bigger issue is with the non improvers filling a place for yet another year, Kurtz, Covatti, Harris, Bates etc either riders on the way down lining pockets or going no further but still blocking up places for riders who might. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 5:56 PM, ruffdiamond said: I wouldn't say their averages will improve naturally, I think their averages will be forced up,,, and may lead to them being less employable in the future Surely the increase will all be relevant to everyone, giving common grounds. 12% across the board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: Surely the increase will all be relevant to everyone, giving common grounds. 12% across the board. So, given a 'level playing field',,, riders averges increase, without there being any improvement. Will riders without a team place this season, see an increase in their average before the start of next season ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: So, given a 'level playing field',,, riders averges increase, without there being any improvement. Will riders without a team place this season, see an increase in their average before the start of next season ? Wel that's the point when changing points totals as it skews the comparison for following years. Sometimes they ignore it because the difference has been 42, 42.5 and 43, and 45 I think, and the difference has been regarded as minimal. It was similar the the FTR in the then Elite leagues when riders like Kyle Newman and Adam Ellis were riding more against fellow FTR's and all of them got inflated averages for the following season. It's to be hoped that there will be a conversion ratio to make it a level playing field for following years, when it's probably 42ish which would be reinstated to maintain the standard of the league. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted January 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Wel that's the point when changing points totals as it skews the comparison for following years. Sometimes they ignore it because the difference has been 42, 42.5 and 43, and 45 I think, and the difference has been regarded as minimal. It was similar the the FTR in the then Elite leagues when riders like Kyle Newman and Adam Ellis were riding more against fellow FTR's and all of them got inflated averages for the following season. It's to be hoped that there will be a conversion ratio to make it a level playing field for following years, when it's probably 42ish which would be reinstated to maintain the standard of the league. Well, its good to read that someone has some sense of it. If a rider sits out this season on, say a 6 pt ave. The points limit goes back to 42, will his 6 be of more value than a rider that achieved a 6 this season ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites