BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ouch said: It depends which you think is worse, a 20min delay whilst things are sorted or just send the two Aces out to ride around unopposed. I think the right decision was made and by clearing it up with Adams it would hopefully stop it happening again. It doesn't matter what was worse, the delay was with the referee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,192 Posted April 23, 2019 Certainly takes the sting out of all these complaints we get on here about the length of time meetings take to run. Belle Vue like many other clubs have been wrongly accused when all the time it was the refs at fault. Now we know where the issue lies, solving it shouldn’t be a problem. Many fans mistakenly thought it was a multitude of issues but thankfully that’s not the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff100 1,426 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ouch said: It depends which you think is worse, a 20min delay whilst things are sorted or just send the two Aces out to ride around unopposed. I think the right decision was made and by clearing it up with Adams it would hopefully stop it happening again. So what was the prob with riders chosen for ht 15 , 2 out of 3 ht leaders or top 2 scores from prog rides without bonus it ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halifaxtiger 5,318 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: For the record the Scunthorpe v Sheffield meeting was run in similar circumstances and was done and dusted in one hour twenty five minutes. they got on with the racing before the track had time to dry out. Don`t think they watered at Sheffield because the home riders weren`t delivering the goods on the watered track. the racing improved when the track became dusty. Scunthorpe didn't have rider replacement, an interval, a heat 14 vote or an argument over riders. Had that been the case, they would have been well over 2 hours and had a dust bowl, and as Bewitcher has accurately stated delay is often substantially down to the referee. The racing did improve later on at Sheffield(if you could see it) but that hasn't cut much ice with those who have stated they will not go again due to the state of both the track and their clothes. I doubt that anyone who went yesterday and saw an excellent meeting with no dust will have the same thoughts. Edited April 23, 2019 by Halifaxtiger 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dornier 795 Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: Scunthorpe didn't have rider replacement, an interval, a heat 14 vote or an argument over riders. Had that been the case, they would have been well over 2 hours and had a dust bowl, and as Bewitcher has accurately stated delay is often substantially down to the referee. The racing did improve later on at Sheffield(if you could see it) but that hasn't cut much ice with those who have stated they will not go again due to the state of both the track and their clothes. I doubt that anyone who went yesterday and saw an excellent meeting with no dust will have the same thoughts. There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keepturningleft 589 Posted April 23, 2019 The bottom line is that any newbies in the crowd almost certainly wouldn't have a clue, or care less about officials squabbling over some rules and regulations. All they would know is that for 20 minutes they are staring at an empty track with nothing happening. Imagine a football match having a 20 minute break in the middle of it while some clash over the rules is going on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,257 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Dornier fixer said: There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Don't talk rubbish, there was virtually no dust. The tiny amount of dust in the last couple of heats due to the delays was normal for any track starting to dry out. Complete over exageration saying riders couldn't see.You can't find anything to criticise about the racing so make this crap up. 1 hour ago, keepturningleft said: The bottom line is that any newbies in the crowd almost certainly wouldn't have a clue, or care less about officials squabbling over some rules and regulations. All they would know is that for 20 minutes they are staring at an empty track with nothing happening. Imagine a football match having a 20 minute break in the middle of it while some clash over the rules is going on. The 20 minute delay wasn't ideal but I can't believe such a big deal is being made of it. Instead of writing about the great racing lets all complain about a 20 minute delay .As others have said, it wasn't raining, it wasnt cold, it was a beautiful sunny day. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,145 Posted April 23, 2019 And who won the debate that caused the 20 minute delay, the referee or Peter Adams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dornier 795 Posted April 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Rob B said: Don't talk rubbish, there was virtually no dust. The tiny amount of dust in the last couple of heats due to the delays was normal for any track starting to dry out. Complete over exageration saying riders couldn't see.You can't find anything to criticise about the racing so make this crap up. The 20 minute delay wasn't ideal but I can't believe such a big deal is being made of it. Instead of writing about the great racing lets all complain about a 20 minute delay .As others have said, it wasn't raining, it wasnt cold, it was a beautiful sunny day. 29 minutes ago, Rob B said: Don't talk rubbish, there was virtually no dust. The tiny amount of dust in the last couple of heats due to the delays was normal for any track starting to dry out. Complete over exageration saying riders couldn't see.You can't find anything to criticise about the racing so make this crap up. The 20 minute delay wasn't ideal but I can't believe such a big deal is being made of it. Instead of writing about the great racing lets all complain about a 20 minute delay .As others have said, it wasn't raining, it wasnt cold, it was a beautiful sunny day. You need to go to specsavers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldace 110 Posted April 23, 2019 There certainly was not enough dust to obscure anyone's view, I sit in the grandstand and could see perfectly. It is ridiculous to suggest that riders could not see coming out of bed four, simply ridiculous. Really can't understand your comments. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAH 409 Posted April 23, 2019 where were you at the dog track watching stock cars in the words jim royle dust my arse 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,860 Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Most laughable post I've read on here. Keep it up 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: You need to go to specsavers You should take your own advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Agree. Two hours max no matter how hot and dry the weather is. No excuse for running this long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said: Most laughable post I've read on here. Keep it up do you think taking 150 minutes to see just over 15 minutes of racing is OK ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites