Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, stevebrum said: Josh at championship level would be my pick over Todd, I’d agree. However the stats at Sheffield show Todd is better this season. Thankfully, for Sheffield, there are a few weaker number 7s next season but still expect him to struggle away. Likewise at Swindon we could be vulnerable away, i see Perks improving though and his average should go up.Jordan i really like looks like a real racer but to average five in a top five is a tough ask he might swap with Ellis Perks as the season goes along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Likewise at Swindon we could be vulnerable away, i see Perks improving though and his average should go up.Jordan i really like looks like a real racer but to average five in a top five is a tough ask he might swap with Ellis Perks as the season goes along. Swindon have a look of the team to beat again next season already anyway but yes there are question marks over the bottom 3. Ellis I thought was a NL standard rider only until this season when it proves that riding often really can help bring you along. Gonna be a huge task to step up even more to second string or senior reserve. Big ask imho. As for Jordan, not seen him. Although his scores in the CL have improved. Looks a steady improver maybe in the mould of Douglas? Well worth the gamble I’d say. Rowe would appear out of his depth but he has made significant improvement in the CL and held done a second string role. Plus there are on paper equally weak number 7s. Again probably worth the gamble I’d say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlieboy 412 Posted December 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Championship stats tell a different story Steve and dont forget Todd was released at Somerset.!!!All about opinion's and we shall see if the Sheffield reserves contribute anough home and away. Championship stats show Josh Auty no 1 atScunthorpe and Todd Kurtz 2 points on average worse than Josh and only a second string .So not much to compare.The stats say Josh is the better rider but on track Todd is a better gater and riding at reserve would be expected to get points round owlerton and occasionally away.Josh is spectacular round Sheffield but he would only be on par with Todd away.We can only speculate as other teams are not complete.If Douglas and Allen start at reserve then they will average a lot more than Todd.If you want to compare riders it should be Todd and Jordan Stewart who is quite good round Sheffield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spin king 1,923 Posted December 9, 2019 Hopefully putting the Auty v Kurtz to bed here a couple facts and stats Fact Josh has clearly stated that he has no interest in riding in the Premiership, it would appear that he has found his limit and his contented to stick with Scunthorpe Out of all of the riders in the Championship who finished as the teams number 1 rider Josh had lowest away average, and the difference between home and away averages he had the second highest difference. Stats Since Todd joined Sheffield Todd has raced Josh 8 times. Of those 8 race Todd scored 13 points and Josh scored 10 Todd beat Josh on 6 of those 8 occasions. And finally Todd is an asset of Sheffield speedway so loan fee require, and with the signing of Nicki Pedersen balancing the books could have come into play with bringing into the team. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, spin king said: Hopefully putting the Auty v Kurtz to bed here a couple facts and stats Fact Josh has clearly stated that he has no interest in riding in the Premiership, it would appear that he has found his limit and his contented to stick with Scunthorpe Out of all of the riders in the Championship who finished as the teams number 1 rider Josh had lowest away average, and the difference between home and away averages he had the second highest difference. Stats Since Todd joined Sheffield Todd has raced Josh 8 times. Of those 8 race Todd scored 13 points and Josh scored 10 Todd beat Josh on 6 of those 8 occasions. And finally Todd is an asset of Sheffield speedway so loan fee require, and with the signing of Nicki Pedersen balancing the books could have come into play with bringing into the team. Can’t argue with facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,056 Posted December 10, 2019 9 hours ago, stevebrum said: Can’t argue with facts. Ill bet you there will be a couple that will Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted December 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Ill bet you there will be a couple that will Oh yes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 10, 2019 18 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Championship stats show Josh Auty no 1 atScunthorpe and Todd Kurtz 2 points on average worse than Josh and only a second string .So not much to compare.The stats say Josh is the better rider but on track Todd is a better gater and riding at reserve would be expected to get points round owlerton and occasionally away.Josh is spectacular round Sheffield but he would only be on par with Todd away.We can only speculate as other teams are not complete.If Douglas and Allen start at reserve then they will average a lot more than Todd.If you want to compare riders it should be Todd and Jordan Stewart who is quite good round Sheffield. A really good post and you are pretty spot on with your observation i was was beginning to think Auty had become an awful rider overnight at Owlerton.Your point about Stewart is a good one Pickering, Etheridge also are two others who will compare to Todd.Spin king's point about Todd being an asset and a fan's favourite is a good one and this season it will be interesting to see how all the reserves perform. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted December 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: A really good post and you are pretty spot on with your observation i was was beginning to think Auty had become an awful rider overnight at Owlerton.Your point about Stewart is a good one Pickering, Etheridge also are two others who will compare to Todd.Spin king's point about Todd being an asset and a fan's favourite is a good one and this season it will be interesting to see how all the reserves perform. Spin king has done the stats on Auty v Kurtz at Sheffield (post not far above). Kurtz is the better rider at Sheffield without question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz325 1,859 Posted December 10, 2019 Good team , four ex Comets too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,056 Posted December 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: A really good post and you are pretty spot on with your observation i was was beginning to think Auty had become an awful rider overnight at Owlerton.Your point about Stewart is a good one Pickering, Etheridge also are two others who will compare to Todd.Spin king's point about Todd being an asset and a fan's favourite is a good one and this season it will be interesting to see how all the reserves perform. He hasnt become awful hes just not as good as Kurtz in the PL.. thats it really Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, phillipsr said: He hasnt become awful hes just not as good as Kurtz in the PL.. thats it really He still has that Kurtz to prove though hasn't he ? as disappointing as Auty has been in his prem career Kurtz has yet to show he is at that level even at reserve but we will see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted December 10, 2019 4 hours ago, phillipsr said: He hasnt become awful hes just not as good as Kurtz in the PL.. thats it really Does Todd have any experience in the top flight? If he has it’s very little. And nothing to write home about if so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RS50 359 Posted December 11, 2019 7 hours ago, stevebrum said: Does Todd have any experience in the top flight? If he has it’s very little. And nothing to write home about if so. Rode for Leicester 2018, 10 matches averaging around 3 and a half. Josh Auty also rode for Leicester and averaged over a point more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted December 11, 2019 7 hours ago, stevebrum said: Does Todd have any experience in the top flight? If he has it’s very little. And nothing to write home about if so. 2012 Steve he had thirteen matches for Poole and was then replaced average 3.17. I have seen him guest a few times at Premiership level since and he has shown nothing to suggest he is at that level now.He is good at Owlerton so maybe he could get some confidence at home and take that away.My interest really was comparing other reserves to ours at Swindon who will be Perks/ Rowe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites