Ringitsneck 348 Posted December 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Ben91 said: This highlights every potential solution having an equally valid roadblock. Perhaps this is where regionalisation needs to be considered. It’s a shame and an idea I have long been against but perhaps the way forward is one league split into north and south conferences as is the way in the major US sports. Each has a league winner, then there are also play-offs to crown an overall champion at the end of the season. With more local(ish) meetings riders would have to take less time off of work to race. Particularly handy for tracks that race midweek. Roadblocks..... Edinburgh, Glasgow, Redcar, Scunthorpe....one region? ....but all Friday night tracks!.....so that won’t work. Also when the league was two fixtures home and away ( 2017 ) a lot of clubs reported that the second time a team visited that their crowds were lower for that fixture, so the top table ( most of who complained ) voted that system out for 2018. how many tracks run mid week these days? As you say, lots of roadblocks! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePark 2,781 Posted December 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said: Roadblocks..... Edinburgh, Glasgow, Redcar, Scunthorpe....one region? ....but all Friday night tracks!.....so that won’t work. Also when the league was two fixtures home and away ( 2017 ) a lot of clubs reported that the second time a team visited that their crowds were lower for that fixture, so the top table ( most of who complained ) voted that system out for 2018. how many tracks run mid week these days? As you say, lots of roadblocks! Redcar would probably switch back to a Thursday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ringitsneck 348 Posted December 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, StevePark said: Redcar would probably switch back to a Thursday. I think you’ll find they won’t. Crowds and takings up from Thursday nights, bar sales up and more children attending so they will stick to Fridays for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 841 Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Ringitsneck said: I think you’ll find they won’t. Crowds and takings up from Thursday nights, bar sales up and more children attending so they will stick to Fridays for sure. They certainly won’t t go back to Thursday under the current race night format as they’d lose their heat leaders. Think again Mr.Park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,365 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ben91 said: This highlights every potential solution having an equally valid roadblock. Perhaps this is where regionalisation needs to be considered. It’s a shame and an idea I have long been against but perhaps the way forward is one league split into north and south conferences as is the way in the major US sports. Each has a league winner, then there are also play-offs to crown an overall champion at the end of the season. With more local(ish) meetings riders would have to take less time off of work to race. Particularly handy for tracks that race midweek. Interesting ,Ihave just finished reading the latest book Saving Speedway( an excellent read ).Reg Fearman in the Postscript highlighted the fact that at the end of 1964 when the Provincial League had broke away and got blacklisted,the Promoters got together again in December to discuss the way forward.There was only 6 Teams left in the big League(National League) and there was 12 Teams in the Provincial League which was starting to thrive.The result was leagues merged to form the British League of 18 Teams.History repeats itself today with only 7 Teams in Premier and 12 in Championship. Another amalgamation! Maybe ,(Fearmans words). IMO we could do worse.!! Edited December 21, 2020 by Fromafar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillwhitewasmad 1,487 Posted December 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Interesting ,Ihave just finished reading the latest book Saving Speedway( an excellent read ).Reg Fearman in the Postscript highlighted the fact that at the end of 1964 when the Provincial League had broke away and got blacklisted,the Promoters got together again in December to discuss the way forward.There was only 6 Teams left in the big League(National League) and there was 12 Teams in the Provincial League which was starting to thrive.The result was leagues merged to form the British League of 18 Teams.History repeats itself today with only 7 Teams in Premier and 12 in Championship. Another amalgamation! Maybe ,(Fearmans words). IMO we could do worse.!! 19 teams 1 home 1 away meeting plus 1 cup competition a proper 4tt schedule. Minimum of 20 home meetings and 22 away what a ridiculous idea 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePark 2,781 Posted December 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: They certainly won’t t go back to Thursday under the current race night format as they’d lose their heat leaders. Think again Mr.Park. We are not talking about the current race night format, though, are we? We are talking about a regionalised "all one League." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ringitsneck 348 Posted December 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Interesting ,Ihave just finished reading the latest book Saving Speedway( an excellent read ).Reg Fearman in the Postscript highlighted the fact that at the end of 1964 when the Provincial League had broke away and got blacklisted,the Promoters got together again in December to discuss the way forward.There was only 6 Teams left in the big League(National League) and there was 12 Teams in the Provincial League which was starting to thrive.The result was leagues merged to form the British League of 18 Teams.History repeats itself today with only 7 Teams in Premier and 12 in Championship. Another amalgamation! Maybe ,(Fearmans words). IMO we could do worse.!! How many times is this ‘ one league ‘ going to be discussed ? It’s been the topic of threads umpteen times over the last three years and it isn’t going to happen without losing more clubs ( the poorer ones ) the ones who will never be able to financially compete with the likes of Poole, Belle Vue, Wolverhampton , Leicester, Glasgow, Sheffield etc and therefore will not join a ‘ league ‘ that they can’t be competitive in. It didn’t work in the mid 90’s , it won’t work now. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,365 Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said: How many times is this ‘ one league ‘ going to be discussed ? It’s been the topic of threads umpteen times over the last three years and it isn’t going to happen without losing more clubs ( the poorer ones ) the ones who will never be able to financially compete with the likes of Poole, Belle Vue, Wolverhampton , Leicester, Glasgow, Sheffield etc and therefore will not join a ‘ league ‘ that they can’t be competitive in. It didn’t work in the mid 90’s , it won’t work now. Perhaps we have to cut our cloth and lower our sights to work our way back to the top.Instead of paying out more than is viable to riders who are second rate in World Terms. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 841 Posted December 21, 2020 The last time this subject was discussed at the top table ( 2017 ) six clubs declined to take part in it, don’t think their attitudes will have changed at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ringitsneck 348 Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: The last time this subject was discussed at the top table ( 2017 ) six clubs declined to take part in it, don’t think their attitudes will have changed at all. You appear to know a lot? Will you say who? I could guess a few.... Newcastle, Berwick, Redcar, Scunthorpe....possibly Edinburgh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,365 Posted December 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: The last time this subject was discussed at the top table ( 2017 ) six clubs declined to take part in it, don’t think their attitudes will have changed at all. That’s why were are still in the sh*t .Self Interest. Tony Jackson in this weeks SS explains it well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted December 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Fromafar said: That’s why were are still in the sh*t .Self Interest. Tony Jackson in this weeks SS explains it well. Tony Jackson , hope he has proper blood running through his body now instead of recycled chip pan fat .one of the nicest guys you will ever meet .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,285 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 10:53 AM, Najjer said: Only for one week or so. New or returning people then will object to the “increase” the following week as that’s likely one of the reasons they stopped or haven’t ever been before. It needs to be over a sustained period of time and actually just reduced full stop. Some tracks charging £18 is madness. Spot on It is taken as needing four weeks of doing something different, regularly, to change a behaviour.. Hence Supermarkets for example will offer several weeks of vouchers when opening new shops because they know "one visit" wont get their potential customers to change their shopping habits from their previous store.. After a month of visits they start to gain that 'emotional loyalty' which gives the very top level businesses their key advantage over those who rely on simply 'functional loyalty'.. "£10 Speedway" should be used as a starting point for more targeted and direct marketing to those who attend, and not a "one size fits all, build it and they will come" 'plan' which it so often appears to be.. You mention the 18 quid admission, and any team charging that have pretty much zero chance of.. a) Getting another 80% of the usual crowd in to make up the financial shortfall of a £10 admission and.. b) Getting someone to pay 80% more the week after.. And re the £18 admission, at my local track I could watch the Colts with my 17 year old lad for a tenner in total, or pay £30 for him and me to watch the Aces.. As someone who has zero interest in who wins any domestic Speedway meeting in the UK, but loves watching the racing, guess which option I chose, (several times).. Co-ordinate a campaign over several weeks and a "loss leader" can be the starting point for success, but it wont do anything to improve things by itself.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted December 23, 2020 my team could or maybe switch to a friday or saturday team or even sunday now the stadium is not tied up with greyhound racing ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
