tyler42 150 Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: For me the strongest second tier was the old National League up until it was broken up to save the top flight during the winter of 90/91. All those riders only rode in that one league & you had the benefit of a fully functioning junior League to keep the reserves on their toes. It was also a professionally ran league to ie no guests.....in fact probably Everything speedway needs today. The overall strength of UK speedway was stronger then too. The British championship had quarter finals in the qualifying process due to the number riders. Oh happy days! I would agree. Not only did you have the likes of Les Collins (2nd World Final) Dave Jessup (2nd World Final) Gordon Kennett (2nd World Final) and Malcom Simmons ( 2nd World final) riding in the National League. (To be fair the riders above were at the tail end of their careers,) but were still very competitive. Then you had the young up and comers. Wiggy, Cross, Loram, Adams, Havlock, Boyce, Wiltshire, who all went on to be genuine World class riders. With Loram and Havvy going on to be World Champions, Wigg and Wiltshire 2nd in World Finals Adams coming 2nd in grand prix series and Boyce getting on the rostrum in the last ever one off World Final after a run off. So you had a great mix of experience and youth Plus some bloody good journey men in the middle in what was a very competitive league. As others have said, todays 2nd tier is arguably not as strong, but that does not diminish from the racing which is very good. Edited September 8, 2021 by tyler42 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,028 Posted September 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, RebelDan said: Can’t agree the 2nd division is a lot weaker than a few years ago.The Somerset team of 2016 wouldn’t be out of place in the current top tier: Josh Grajczonek, Rohan Tungate, Charles Wright, Jake Allen, Bradley Wilson-Dean, Paul Starke, Zach Wajtknexht Or Somerset's 2015 side: Josh Grajczonek, Richie Worrall, Charles Wright, Brady Kurtz, Rasmus Jensen, Paul Starke & Oliver Greenwood! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,017 Posted September 8, 2021 19 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Makes me wonder why a rider can justorfy being paid more in the "premiership2 than in the Championship. TV money? 10 hours ago, RebelDan said: Can’t agree the 2nd division is a lot weaker than a few years ago.The Somerset team of 2016 wouldn’t be out of place in the current top tier: Josh Grajczonek, Rohan Tungate, Charles Wright, Jake Allen, Bradley Wilson-Dean, Paul Starke, Zach Wajtknexht 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Or Somerset's 2015 side: Josh Grajczonek, Richie Worrall, Charles Wright, Brady Kurtz, Rasmus Jensen, Paul Starke & Oliver Greenwood! Those teams and riders are of 5 and 6 years ago though and none of those riders were of the quality then as they are now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GWC 495 Posted September 8, 2021 People see a name from 5 years ago and compare them to today thinking they have the same ability which is clearly not. Dan Bewley is a case in point! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RebelDan 203 Posted September 8, 2021 12 hours ago, iainb said: TV money? Those teams and riders are of 5 and 6 years ago though and none of those riders were of the quality then as they are now. 10 hours ago, GWC said: People see a name from 5 years ago and compare them to today thinking they have the same ability which is clearly not. Dan Bewley is a case in point! I don’t think many of the Somerset team from 2016 have improved that much IMO in the last few years, there will generally always be exceptions like Bewley ,Lambert etc and riders on an upward trajectory. Allen, Tungate, Wright, Josh G, Strake from 2016 have all broadly found their level mainly doubling up between the two leagues over many years and aren’t significantly improved riders from 2016, but granted perhaps a little more consistent and naturally experienced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites