All4back 40 Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, DizzAssStar said: Were you born stupid or is it something that has progressed with age? You and two or three other Panthers idiots (apologies in advance to the decent P'boro supporters who thankfully are the vast majority) have taken every opportunity that you've been able to engineer over the past several months to blame KC for everything you can conjure up in your tiny minds! I'll be the first to agree that KC don't get everything right (no one does apart from you and your like)............... but make no mistake there would be NO speedway at P'boro OR KL without him. Out of interest what makes you say there would be no speedway at Peterborough without him? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DizzAssStar 203 Posted July 8, 2023 2 hours ago, mikebv said: The overall sport is in the current situation due to many of those involved over the past two decades in particular.. Many of whom, I am 100% sure, have their "hearts entrenched in Speedway".. Capability, however, isn't an emotion.. Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, lets look at the equation from another perspective:- Capability + Lack of Involvement = NO speedway (simply put ...... those with "capability" aren't [now] interested in speedway otherwise they would be involved?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DizzAssStar 203 Posted July 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Isotonic said: Out of interest what makes you say there would be no speedway at Peterborough without him? Simple ....... provide me with a list of would be promoters that were about to pick up the batten when P'boro speedway WAS about to fall off the face of the Earth a couple of years ago? I think your answer will be a blank sheet of paper? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted July 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said: Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, lets look at the equation from another perspective:- Capability + Lack of Involvement = NO speedway (simply put ...... those with "capability" aren't [now] interested in speedway otherwise they would be involved?) So, to be clear here. Regardless of what's on offer everyone should rock up a support the team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All4back 40 Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said: Simple ....... provide me with a list of would be promoters that were about to pick up the batten when P'boro speedway WAS about to fall off the face of the Earth a couple of years ago? I think your answer will be a blank sheet of paper? Chapman was the owner a couple of years ago, so this falling off the face of the earth would have been down to him? So if he created this "falling off the face of the earth" scenario why would anybody want to get involved and why didn't he close it down then? Anyway wasn't it a couple of years ago Peterborough won the play off final. With all this falling of the the face of the earth they must have had an intresting season Edited July 8, 2023 by Isotonic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT 1,229 Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, DizzAssStar said: Were you born stupid or is it something that has progressed with age? You and two or three other Panthers idiots (apologies in advance to the decent P'boro supporters who thankfully are the vast majority) have taken every opportunity that you've been able to engineer over the past several months to blame KC for everything you can conjure up in your tiny minds! I'll be the first to agree that KC don't get everything right (no one does apart from you and your like)............... but make no mistake there would be NO speedway at P'boro OR KL without him. It is his fault though, KL wouldn't be in financial bother if Buster just let Tomalin complete the Holder deal, KL's future being plunged into doubt is mostly based around the Holder fiasco at Tomalin when you look at the bigger picture. Tomalin would have covered the finances at Peterborough therefore Buster would only be paying for KL riders instead of 14 KL & Pboro riders. KL wouldn't be in the alarming mess they're in because Buster would've just made two changes to get the team back within his price range after Brady bailed and it would've been business as usual. Now Buster has been left paying for 14 riders that he simply can't afford due to falling out with Tomalin, Buster now needs Tomalin to save his ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,647 Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, noaksey said: Its a private business same as any sports team he can ask whatever he wants Not quite correct. He signed up to be regulated by the SCB/BSPL and has to conform to their regulations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DizzAssStar 203 Posted July 8, 2023 Just now, Daniel Smith said: So, to be clear here. Regardless of what's on offer everyone should rock up a support the team? Didn't realise that the "equation" was up for manipulation so as to embrace any point of view? People do whatever they choose to do .................. BUT when speedway pretty much disappears in UK (apart from a bit of amateur stuff) then don't moan! I'm (almost) ashamed to admit that I hardly bother with live speedway nowadays (so I'm handing you ammunition) as its in such a bad way here in UK and I have extremely fond memories of how it used to be through the 70's and early eighties............... time to move on, I'm afraid that nothing lasts forever (sadly)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK62 70 Posted July 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said: Simple ....... provide me with a list of would be promoters that were about to pick up the batten when P'boro speedway WAS about to fall off the face of the Earth a couple of years ago? I think your answer will be a blank sheet of paper? Ged Rathbone ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DizzAssStar 203 Posted July 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, Isotonic said: Chapman was the owner a couple of years ago, so this falling off the face of the earth would have been down to him? So if he created this "falling off the face of the earth" scenario why would anybody want to get involved and why didn't he close it down then? Anyway wasn't it a couple of years ago Peterborough won the play off final. With all this falling of the the face of the earth they must have had an intresting season Being bloody mindedly picky does you and your stupid argument no favours whatsoever.................... you know EXACTLY what I meant when I used a "general term" of a "couple of years ago" as you full well know I was referring to the point when KC took over the reigns at P'boro and effectively prevented its collapse at that time. NOW show me your list of those willing and able to take it on at THAT time? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DizzAssStar 203 Posted July 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, KK62 said: Ged Rathbone ? Why didn't he then..................... seems like yet ANOTHER saviour thats no where to be seen when the chips are down? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scoobydoo 2,254 Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said: Why didn't he then..................... seems like yet ANOTHER saviour thats no where to be seen when the chips are down? Now who's being thick Rathbone was the one who sold it to Chapman !!!! , He also said if no one came in to buy it , the Panthers would of still run in the championship that year Edited July 8, 2023 by scoobydoo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noodles 1,337 Posted July 8, 2023 DizzAssStar are you ok? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DizzAssStar 203 Posted July 8, 2023 24 minutes ago, TTT said: It is his fault though, KL wouldn't be in financial bother if Buster just let Tomalin complete the Holder deal, KL's future being plunged into doubt is mostly based around the Holder fiasco at Tomalin when you look at the bigger picture. Tomalin would have covered the finances at Peterborough therefore Buster would only be paying for KL riders instead of 14 KL & Pboro riders. KL wouldn't be in the alarming mess they're in because Buster would've just made two changes to get the team back within his price range after Brady bailed and it would've been business as usual. Now Buster has been left paying for 14 riders that he simply can't afford due to falling out with Tomalin, Buster now needs Tomalin to save his ass. KL are in "this alarming mess" on account of Alex Brady pulling out (don't know the circumstances so won't speculate) .........KC has again picked up the s.....ty end of the stick as opposed to KL speedway immediately closing the doors. Time you opened your eyes ................. Tomalin has SAVED NO-ONE. If it's all so simple get yer cheque book out buy the whole enterprise and put matters right............. you'll be sitting on a goldmine! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All4back 40 Posted July 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said: Being bloody mindedly picky does you and your stupid argument no favours whatsoever.................... you know EXACTLY what I meant when I used a "general term" of a "couple of years ago" as you full well know I was referring to the point when KC took over the reigns at P'boro and effectively prevented its collapse at that time. NOW show me your list of those willing and able to take it on at THAT time? But Peterborough Speedway wasn't collapsing, it was up for sale. Wasn't the reason he purchased it, as chairman of the BSPA,to stop the TV deal falling through because of a lack of teams in the top division. And if I knew "EXACTLY" what you ment I wouldn't be asking you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
