martinmauger 584 Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: Personally I never just base the "greatest ever' on World Championships won but a rider's overal contribution and racing awareness...don't recall Tony Rickardsson doing much team riding on the occasions that I saw him which is why I don't rate him above Ivan Mauger (another great team man who cajoled his team mates) despite equalling Ivan's World Championships win or above the likes of Nielsen, aforementioned Moore and dare I suggest Ole Olsen! This^^, a tad biased, perhaps, but Moore (& Briggs), Mauger, Olsen & Nielsen (& Gundersen) all team rode, I know as I saw them all do it with the exception of Moore, & they turned their teams into succsessful ones. TRick was a very good rider, granted, you don't get 6 World Championships just handed to you, but was more for himself than his teams.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted November 21, 2022 5 hours ago, martinmauger said: This^^, a tad biased, perhaps, but Moore (& Briggs), Mauger, Olsen & Nielsen (& Gundersen) all team rode, I know as I saw them all do it with the exception of Moore, & they turned their teams into succsessful ones. TRick was a very good rider, granted, you don't get 6 World Championships just handed to you, but was more for himself than his teams.... Witches fans that saw him classically shepherd Toni Svab around ahead of Jason Crump at Peterboro would disagree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racin Jason 72 1,283 Posted November 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Witches fans that saw him classically shepherd Toni Svab around ahead of Jason Crump at Peterboro would disagree You have beat me to it. Absolutely brilliant foiled crump on every bend. He was fuming 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinmauger 584 Posted November 22, 2022 5 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Witches fans that saw him classically shepherd Toni Svab around ahead of Jason Crump at Peterboro would disagree Not saying TRick didn't ever team ride, just not as much as the mentioned riders which wouda bin pretty much impossible. Would love to have seen the race mentioned, Crump also got done by NickiP in a SWC meeting, enjoy clever tactics from anyone.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted November 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said: You have beat me to it. Absolutely brilliant foiled crump on every bend. He was fuming ...Jason had a temper. Remember when he slapped team mate Todd Wiltshire for a collision. He apologised later realising that it hadn't been Todd's fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim G 512 Posted November 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, steve roberts said: ...Jason had a temper. Remember when he slapped team mate Todd Wiltshire for a collision. He apologised later realising that it hadn't been Todd's fault. I think that was Todd”s first ride in his comeback, it didn’t make Crump very popular at Oxford. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pippymon 0 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) Pillion: A passenger riding on the back seat of a motorcycle. watch stories cc generator Edited April 29, 2023 by Pippymon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatface 2,554 Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 3:16 PM, martinmauger said: This^^, a tad biased, perhaps, but Moore (& Briggs), Mauger, Olsen & Nielsen (& Gundersen) all team rode, I know as I saw them all do it with the exception of Moore, & they turned their teams into succsessful ones. TRick was a very good rider, granted, you don't get 6 World Championships just handed to you, but was more for himself than his teams.... Never easy when comparing eras and I think this is one of those where its an apples and pears job. For Mauger and the like the British League title was the second most important competition of the whole season behind the World Championships, just as it would have been for Tony Rickardson had he shared the same era. Fast forward to Rickardson's era and you think Mauger and Olsen would have put as much emphasis on success in the British League had they been competing? Truth is they would have been prioritising bigger money in Poland and each GP far above speedway in Britain, if they would have bothered with Britain at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) As you say it's difficult, if nigh impossible, to compare different eras. All I know is that Mauger craved success at team level and each team he rode for he had a great say in how the team was put together. Came later in Olsen's career after carrying Wolves for many years and, of course, Nielsen was the main player at Oxford where he had great influence. By the time the nineties came along riders started looking towards Poland for big money reward but of course the likes of Mauger, Olsen, Briggs, Collins etc achieved financial gain by riding on the continent on sundays at longtrack/grasstrack events during the seventies and eighties as well as riding in Britain whereby meetings came thick and fast unlike today. Recall Peter Collins saying that on any given month he perhaps had three/four days when he wasn't competing otherwise it was all go. Edited November 30, 2022 by steve roberts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
