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[szkocjasid 3,027]

6 hours ago, arnieg said:

I'm in agreement with you. But how will Brennan/Mountain/Hume's rolling averages work in 2023?

After (say) 6 matches will they:

1) stay on starting average because in effect they have 'assessed' averages

2) have a GSA based on last 4 of 2022 and 6 from 2023.

3) have a GSA based on the six 2023 matches and 75% of the points scored from the 4 remaining 2022 matches?

The 25% reduction works in the same way as any 2.5% reduction ever did - it's a Brits average to start the season on. As soon as they ride 1 match there average will be their rolling average counting 2022 & 2023 matches.

From your example it would be number 2 (I've heard nothing official to say it's back to 20 match rolling aves in 2023)

 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706]

30 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

It is much simpler to use just one average, meaning Brennan's team building ave would put him at reserve. I cannot personally remember any situation where the 2.5% reduction has led to a Brit with a lower average being ranked higher than a foreigner with an actual average for team positions.

King/Riss at Redcar in 2023 will test the theory as well.....

[Call me wolfie 677]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

It is much simpler to use just one average, meaning Brennan's team building ave would put him at reserve. I cannot personally remember any situation where the 2.5% reduction has led to a Brit with a lower average being ranked higher than a foreigner with an actual average for team positions.

Just because it’s simpler, doesn’t make it right

[szkocjasid 3,027]

6 hours ago, Call me wolfie said:

Just because it’s simpler, doesn’t make it right

But how does having an average used for team building but not team positioning "make it right"?

[Daniel Smith 5,661]

22 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

But how does having an average used for team building but not team positioning "make it right"?

Simply because it's his average. The advantage to Brennan & Belle Vue is already given with ¼ off his average. 

Without that advantage Belle Vue wouldn't have been able to put that team together or Brennan would have missed out completely. 

With that reduction, starting at reserve is also a 2nd advantage with a rider that is clearly at 2nd string level comfortably. 

[szkocjasid 3,027]

12 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Simply because it's his average. The advantage to Brennan & Belle Vue is already given with ¼ off his average. 

Without that advantage Belle Vue wouldn't have been able to put that team together or Brennan would have missed out completely. 

With that reduction, starting at reserve is also a 2nd advantage with a rider that is clearly at 2nd string level comfortably. 

What about a team that has a 2 or 3 point foreigner in the team on a 4.00 average, but has a stronger Brit on a 3.75 average at reserve? Is that not much the same?

[Roger Jacobs 554]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

What about a team that has a 2 or 3 point foreigner in the team on a 4.00 average, but has a stronger Brit on a 3.75 average at reserve? Is that not much the same?

It’s their fault for wanting a 2 or 3 point non-Brit on a 4.

I can’t see how the 25% reduction can be used as a genuine MA. Hopefully, the BSPA will clarify the situation … without careful rewording of the Regs, they’re in danger of creating yet more ambiguity.

[Daniel Smith 5,661]

2 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

What about a team that has a 2 or 3 point foreigner in the team on a 4.00 average, but has a stronger Brit on a 3.75 average at reserve? Is that not much the same?

The rule for this is very different. Foreign rider's can never dip below 4.00 at all times. 

The 2.5% & 25% is / should be for team building only & rolling averages determining team position. 

I don't think it's a complicated system 

[NeilWatson 1,988]

On 12/27/2022 at 3:34 PM, szkocjasid said:

The 25% reduction works in the same way as any 2.5% reduction ever did - it's a Brits average to start the season on. As soon as they ride 1 match there average will be their rolling average counting 2022 & 2023 matches.

From your example it would be number 2 (I've heard nothing official to say it's back to 20 match rolling aves in 2023)

 

That’s about as official as you can get 

[Nickinho 429]

Emil Sayfutdinov signed by Ipswich 

 

EMIL HEADING TO IPSWICH - Friday, February 24, 2023 (britishspeedway.co.uk)

[Presenter 144]

Ipswich have 3.27 left for their final rider, as Keynan Rew is assessed at 5:00 and not 4:00

Chris Louis confirmed this at the staff signing-on night on Thursday. 

[Arch Stanton 2,255]

4 hours ago, Presenter said:

Ipswich have 3.27 left for their final rider, as Keynan Rew is assessed at 5:00 and not 4:00

Chris Louis confirmed this at the staff signing-on night on Thursday. 

Thank you. Puts to bed any more thoughts of going for a 4 pointer or Heeps or anyone else really. Good to have some clarity. 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Arch Stanton

[RS50 359]

4 hours ago, Presenter said:

Ipswich have 3.27 left for their final rider, as Keynan Rew is assessed at 5:00 and not 4:00

Chris Louis confirmed this at the staff signing-on night on Thursday. 

Who would be available on this average?

[Arch Stanton 2,255]

8 minutes ago, RS50 said:

Who would be available on this average?

Danyon Hume is basically the only option, and he only fits due to the 25% reduction he gets on his GSA due to being a rising star last year but not this. His actual average is 4.09. Think he would have got the last team spot anyway so Rew being assessed at 5.00 instead of 4.00 probably makes little difference. 

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4 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Danyon Hume is basically the only option, and he only fits due to the 25% reduction he gets on his GSA due to being a rising star last year but not this. His actual average is 4.09. Think he would have got the last team spot anyway so Rew being assessed at 5.00 instead of 4.00 probably makes little difference. 

Think we're likely breathing a sigh of relief there