SlicktrackSandy 71 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, StevePark said: Glad he decided to come back this year. Learnt a lot last year and will surely build on that in 2024. Throws the maths out a bit but with 11.63 points left am sure that is well in hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PotteringAround 633 Posted January 14 Mason Watson said early in the close season that he's signed for someone. He'd still fit at Edinburgh, Middlesbrough or Scunfield. But surely if he's signed for Middlesbrough or Scunfield they'd have already announced him since they've announced the other 6 and would have no reason to delay the last announcement. Assuming he's at Edinburgh, it leaves 7.70 and no obvious signing. (Tom Woolley seemingly the best fit). Max Perry 7.75 would be the strongest signing, but that would mean crapping on Watson.... However, in the press release of Wood's signing it says ""It's a big year for Dayle and if the team is going to be successful we will need him to perform at a heat leader level". That suggests a weak final signing. If they had Coles, Perry and McGurk there'd be no need for Wood to be the third heat-leader... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,042 Posted January 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, PotteringAround said: Mason Watson said early in the close season that he's signed for someone. He'd still fit at Edinburgh, Middlesbrough or Scunfield. But surely if he's signed for Middlesbrough or Scunfield they'd have already announced him since they've announced the other 6 and would have no reason to delay the last announcement. Assuming he's at Edinburgh, it leaves 7.70 and no obvious signing. (Tom Woolley seemingly the best fit). Max Perry 7.75 would be the strongest signing, but that would mean crapping on Watson.... However, in the press release of Wood's signing it says ""It's a big year for Dayle and if the team is going to be successful we will need him to perform at a heat leader level". That suggests a weak final signing. If they had Coles, Perry and McGurk there'd be no need for Wood to be the third heat-leader... Bit strange to say they need Dayle to perform as a heat leader to be successful. They are bound to have 3 riders with higher averages. Does that mean they expect one of them to fail or they are looking for 4 heat leaders in the team? Mind you in a weaker league, he's not far from heat leader level at his current ability. Edited January 14 by szkocjasid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 533 Posted January 15 On 1/10/2024 at 3:47 PM, phillwhitewasmad said: never said they would. but like i said if my rider is a better rider at the end than the beginning its a win all day long Can you explain “Getting beaten week in week out” and “ending up better riders” that statement isn’t mathematically possible (roll eyes) it’s that lack of ambition that’s got the sport into the state it’s in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamonds85 699 Posted January 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TMW said: Can you explain “Getting beaten week in week out” and “ending up better riders” that statement isn’t mathematically possible (roll eyes) it’s that lack of ambition that’s got the sport into the state it’s in When I was learning to ride I always liked to go out on track with lads faster and more experienced than me so I could follow their lines and chase them down, made me push myself and ride like those who were better than me... therefore I became a better rider as a result. Pointless going out and beating wobblers and ending with a 12.00 average if I'm the same rider I was at the beginning of the season because I've not had to push myself at all. If anything the post that you quoted is full of ambition for his son (Luke Harrison) to get better as the season progresses against tougher opposition. At this level rider progression is far more important than shiny trophies (although both would be nice) Edited January 15 by Diamonds85 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 533 Posted January 15 29 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said: When I was learning to ride I always liked to go out on track with lads faster and more experienced than me so I could follow their lines and chase them down, made me push myself and ride like those who were better than me... therefore I became a better rider as a result. Pointless going out and beating wobblers and ending with a 12.00 average if I'm the same rider I was at the beginning of the season because I've not had to push myself at all. If anything the post that you quoted is full of ambition for his son (Luke Harrison) to get better as the season progresses against tougher opposition. At this level rider progression is far more important than shiny trophies (although both would be nice) Tell me who you are and I’ll know if it worked or not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillwhitewasmad 1,487 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, TMW said: Can you explain “Getting beaten week in week out” and “ending up better riders” that statement isn’t mathematically possible (roll eyes) it’s that lack of ambition that’s got the sport into the state it’s in Not sure what you're asking here my comment was in answer to the joint Sheffield scunthorpe team winning the league . And never said riders getting beat every week would be better . I said if my rider is better at the end of the year than the beginning I'm not to bothered on who wins the league 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 533 Posted January 17 On 1/15/2024 at 5:55 PM, phillwhitewasmad said: Not sure what you're asking here my comment was in answer to the joint Sheffield scunthorpe team winning the league . And never said riders getting beat every week would be better . I said if my rider is better at the end of the year than the beginning I'm not to bothered on who wins the league Since when did will to win become a taboo ?? and I’d say the supporters are the ones that count not the participants 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,291 Posted January 17 37 minutes ago, TMW said: Since when did will to win become a taboo ?? and I’d say the supporters are the ones that count not the participants I think that the fans, particularly of teams who are not stand alone NDL and have a team in another division, just go along to enjoy the NDL racing and hopefully see some talent that goes on to the top level later in their career.. There is hardly an open top bus ride around the town for the Premiership winners, so the NDL Champs won't be making too many back pages... If out of the lads riding this year, 10 to 15 of them all have a regular Championship team place in three to five years then the NDL then this season will have been a huge success... Rider progression to regularly have 2nd tier teams being full of UK riders is the real measure of success.. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillwhitewasmad 1,487 Posted January 17 2 hours ago, TMW said: Since when did will to win become a taboo ?? and I’d say the supporters are the ones that count not the participants Never said winning was taboo my rider through his 125 and 250 career had a large amount of success which was great but have to say he learnt more in the harder meetings and races he didn't win than in those he did Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,042 Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/17/2024 at 8:07 AM, phillwhitewasmad said: Never said winning was taboo my rider through his 125 and 250 career had a large amount of success which was great but have to say he learnt more in the harder meetings and races he didn't win than in those he did Using that logic, which I fully agre with. Luke will develop less on this year's NDL than last year's? With a weaker league he may just win all his heats from the gate. Obviously track time is vital at that age, but I wonder would the likes of Luke learn more from racing against the Clegg's & Morley's of the world? Edited January 18 by szkocjasid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Blobby 2,662 Posted January 17 On 1/14/2024 at 4:25 PM, PotteringAround said: Mason Watson said early in the close season that he's signed for someone. He'd still fit at Edinburgh, Middlesbrough or Scunfield. But surely if he's signed for Middlesbrough or Scunfield they'd have already announced him since they've announced the other 6 and would have no reason to delay the last announcement. Assuming he's at Edinburgh, it leaves 7.70 and no obvious signing. (Tom Woolley seemingly the best fit). Max Perry 7.75 would be the strongest signing, but that would mean crapping on Watson.... However, in the press release of Wood's signing it says ""It's a big year for Dayle and if the team is going to be successful we will need him to perform at a heat leader level". That suggests a weak final signing. If they had Coles, Perry and McGurk there'd be no need for Wood to be the third heat-leader... 2 of the 3 named will more than likely be announced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 533 Posted January 17 8 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Never said winning was taboo my rider through his 125 and 250 career had a large amount of success which was great but have to say he learnt more in the harder meetings and races he didn't win than in those he did An interesting logic ! So why enter NDL ? Anyway good luck for the season Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SlicktrackSandy 71 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said: 2 of the 3 named will more than likely be announced. Whatever happened to Jack Kingston ( 6.45 ) no mention of him this year. Thought he looked really good at Armadale in 2022 for Mildenhall. Was heading for a maximum when he slipped off in his last ride. Tom Woolley has already had two stints with the Devils - not sure if he is kind of rider that would fit with this type of team in 2024 but that's just a guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillwhitewasmad 1,487 Posted January 17 40 minutes ago, TMW said: An interesting logic ! So why enter NDL ? Anyway good luck for the season Andy Reasoning is bike time is key to success the additional 10 meetings will be invaluable to him . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
