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Will he have personal issues on Saturday night? Or are they only limited to this country?

As useless as you are at reading apparently

Now we know why Poole didn't have team suits.... who's next?

A rider who races in 9 GP's and finishes 13th is a GP rider by any realistic definition.

Kildemand rode in 9 GP's last year so should be classed as any other GP rider and assessed at 9 or 8, whichever is being used. He last rode in the UK in 2015 and averaged 7.10 but it is farcical if he is allowed to return on that average but Zagar, who last rode in the UK more recently, in 2016, wasn't allowed to return on his average of 7.48.

Yes and feeling much better, PA said he looks healthier than he has for years

Looking forward to putting on all the thermals for the return tomorrow. After 4 operations in 3 years I should be back to watching regular meetings again.

Here we go again!!

Stainless, Fueltaps would be correct in saying it was another who originally set up the Facebook page and came up with the name MASSIF so I can't take any credit for that part of it , but as others and yourself have mentioned differences within the group saw this said person decide he didnt want to be associated with the group anymore and see me take up the challenge of trying to look after our Facebook page . It was my choice after asking people on the page would they want a Twitter page as well which seems to have been a big success so far . I'm not the leader nor do wish to be called the leader of the MASSIF , I do what I do on the Facebook page and Twitter account because I enjoy doing it. No one person is the MASSIF, we are a group of madcap noisy fun loving collection of people who enjoy going to speedway . All we have tried to do is try and get the crowd going and inject a bit of atmosphere into the meeting which resulted in some brilliant night's at Foxhall towards the end of last season even if the results didn't go our way . That's us the MASSIF .

No Problem Randy, Oops, pardon the typo...... I have no idea. I guess there are always riders who will come, for a price.

What we can do is..... Let there be horns - there are horns Let there be bells - there are bells Let there be whistles - there are whistles Courtesy of the Witches Massif

You really are just a flog, you don't know the kids personal issues , I suggest you just keep your big trap shut. Perhaps he's completely the opposite and if he has a kid on the way he's honoring his commitment and getting a real job or wants to be there as a father, speedway after all is only a sport. Junior

Welcome Aaron, sorry to see Ben or should I say not see Ben this season but Aaron will be just fine. Does anybody know the average he has?

Is there any chance of Poole creating a team fairly? everybody else does why was Pawlicki's average not lowered ? every year Poole pull a trick.

If Kildemand is allowed to sign for Poole then the sport is really bent. As you say Zagar wasn't allowed to return on a 2016 average because he rode in GPs. Anyone can clearly see then that Kildemand, in exactly the same posiion, can't be allowed to return on a (even older) 2015 average. It has to be 9.00 If Kildemand is allowed to ride, then Zagar should sue the SCB as he had an offer of a team place on 7.48 which was withdrawn when he was saddled with a 9.00 average for the exact same reasons that should apply to Kildemand. P.s. Is Holder's work permit expected to be granted in a few weeks, or is he out for the season now?

Who said he was leader? And how could he be leader when it was set up before him. There is one chap that does the Facebook and Twitter page, so he is the main man. I have a feeling the chap with 56 names was asked if he wanted to sit with a bunch that already sat together and he took it on himself to be leader, but like said above, he fell out with a couple and hasn't been seen or heard of since, which is a shame as he was awsome at blowing his own horn.

seems it is a positive move for the club - (not a useless one)

Having been a Rye supporter for many years Len Silver took the angle that the speedway must survive over rider signings. If the promotion don’t have deep pockets then it’s this route or no speedway.

NO, he had 2 with him. But it was a meaningless meeting so his main priority was to fix his no1 bike and find what the trouble was. He found the problem and solved it after an extensive practice after the meeting.

adam left workington with an average of 5.12 . he did not take part in enough meetings to get a proper average , but his average had dropped way down . we replaced him with that pillock sarj , who then gave us a masterclass in average fixing . if we had kept adam in the team he would have been @ reserve and adam being adam could have upped his average quite a bit . but he didnt get the chance ! we thought we were getting a decent rider in for adam. but all he did was average fix for the rest of the season . sarj from 5.12 to 3.33 says it all . sarj says he is going to double his average in 2018 . lets face it, if he does there will be no shocks from the people of workington who suffered the form of this so called sportsman . adam 2 reserve could do a job and deserves another chance , where as the other fecker dosent deserve sod all from speedway . shambles of a speedway rider and a cheat to workington speedway ..we wont have long to wait to see sarj as he is down with Glasgow @ workington in the 2nd fixture of the season . hope you get a full team out before the official fixtures kick in .

The difficulty is spend your money on who. There is virtually no-one to sign and Poland has a rule of a 9 man pool, but the team with Hancock, Rose and Kus has 14 riders stockpiled. That in parts has caused a shortage. My way out would have been to go for a new 5.2 rider, and hope he comes good, and a bigger signing into the season when someone gets disallusioned with Poland, and is looking for another income stream. It might be starting low, but there will be opportunities to restrengthen as time goes on. It's got to be remembered we started later than everyone else, and with lesser money probably, so there was always signs we would be limited as to who we could sign. Hang on for the early days and see what pans out but we still should have faith in George and Martin as both of them will not want a poor team for very long. Have faith.

As it stands our opener and Buxton away in august. So on the face of it not a disaster for Kent, the problem arises if both sides are successful later and reach play offs etc. But riding at the higher level on a weekly basis and for such a professional club as Glasgow can only benefit Kent with even greater progression for young Jack.

Just because we don't appear to have a world beating team doesn't mean that the racing won't be entertaining. When we had the all conquering team racking up 5-1 after 5-1 it may have been nice to win but often the actual racing was poor. I'll reserve judgement and be prepared to watch some exciting heats.

JPB replaced by both teams on the same day he walks.........don't let the door hit you on the @rse on your way out

SCB 2018 rule that “riders must remain astride their machine when ‘gardening’ at the start-line. As we saw/heard last night in the first meeting of the season at Belle Vue, 3 riders excluded having got off their bikes to prepare their start position. Riders/managers complaining of this rule. I believe rule possibly brought in to speed meetings up. But it doesn’t. Riders in my opinion should be able to prepare their start position, have a cup of tea or what ever within the 2 minutes allotted time. As in Poland a digital clock should be placed by the start, the referee starts the 2min. count down and if a rider not ready, then he is excluded. This system should be in place for all leagues in all countries. Same rule everywhere.

There wasnt much to fear in this Poole side before and even less now

Looks like I spoke too soon! One day, just ONE day is all its taken.Grrr. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, Id still rather have Holder than Kildemand any day of the week. Fed up and peed off good and proper before we even get started!!

If he rides Saturday then no way should Poole be allowed a replacement rider RR at best.

Presume the lack of a work permit affects all countries.

You ladies and gents, girls and boys are total legends all over British speedway. Most clubs wish they had a group of fans that can make as much noise and create an exciting atmosphere like you do. You lot made the cup meeting at the showground a great meeting to be at. It really did feel like 2 tribes going to war.

So yet again its Poole speedway who bring the sport into disrepute with their continual season after season of bending them rules. Replace Chris Holder on a 7 with a better rider in Kildemand and thats deemed as ok? About time Chris Holder was moved on from the UK we dont need his sort in the league. So yet again if Poole win the league it will be yet another hollow victory

Kings Lynn must be laughing there heads off, how many times have we heard this about Holder with personal problems, ive lost count!!!

I agree - has BSPA agreed Kildemand can ride for Poole. Good but craft move by Ford to replace a 7pt rider with a 9pt one and still be within limit.

They can't use Kildermand can they? Didn't they bring in a rule GP riders who missed last season would be reassessed to a 9.00 exactly like NKI?

Only if they fancy renewing the fence every week.

Would he fit at Newcastle?

In my humble opinion I would have said that there was at least 1 more layer of dirt to go on the top before it could be raced, the bend reshaping was finished though. But I'm no track man so who knows.

There is no leader All equal and all welcome

I hear what your saying but I think one of the main problems has been the number of riders who would have been signed by the Diamonds (Lewis Rose being a prime example) who have signed for Polish teams and will probably never get a ride.

I didnt think it was allowed to sign a non Brit as a protected asset any longer....

Don't know mate, I don't know the kid or his family , that's why you won't find me slinging rubbish at riders, everyone has differesnt rubbish going on in there lives. Junior

Got to earn his keep

Apart from now being excluded if any part of the rider, bike, or equipment touches the tapes, the rule hasn't changed at all this year, and of course we can still have unsatisfactory starts. They're just tightening up on the existing starting rule. i.e. The Start Marshal must make sure the riders are correctly positioned at the tapes, (not back from the tapes with rolling room). The referee must not release the tapes unless all 4 riders are stationary. And if anything touches the tapes, the rider is excluded. (In the past the referees would sometimes release the tapes with a rider moving, and then call them back. Now they won't release the tape until all are stationary). The thinking is, that if the riders are correctly positioned, stationary when the tapes are released, and don't touch the tapes, then it is a fair start, even if someone anticipates and gets a flyer). There may still be cases where someone IS moving before the tapes go up, (referees are human without perfect reflexes) but these cases should now be few and far between.

You now wonder why Birmingham did not want him in their nl team this year did they know something the others didn’t ?

Everyone needs to stop overreacting to Tungate's performance imo. Obviously something big went wrong in his first heat. Couldn't fix the problem by his next Heat and got excluded under 2 mins. Then he was virtually playing catch up whilst having problems with his bike/bikes all night long. Just a bad night at the office and tbh its a nothing meeting anyway. All about getting rid of the rust and getting some laps in before the real stuff starts.

If Matt ford is offering 10k for winning this meeting can’t be doing too badly.

Just because Trees is passionate about the Stars there's no need to knock her at every opportunity.

Bens a good lad, he does a lot locally for charity and is well respected for it. Like most young speedway riders he was expected to mature far too early, and he admits doing something stupid and has taken the rap for it. Hes certainly no saint, he can be bolshy (little man syndrome) and he's quick tempered and quite firey. Does that you remind you of certain Dane ? Both in my opinion are unduly criticised for showing passion and spirit. I'd rather have N.P or B.B anyday rather than some of the safer less edgey riders who never give 100%. Ben learn a lesson from this.