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Hopefully lessons have been learned but there is not a promotion out there that have not done this at one point or another. Sooner or later the penny will drop that it is an entertainment business and not win at all cost business to the detriment of the paying public. Or will they as they don't seem to care about the paying public. I was at Berwick last week and the track prep was spot on , gave both teams a chance to attack it result being a fantastic speedway meeting it is not rocket science.

While you are looking for that, could you please do my ironing.

That was an absolute privilege watching The Brummies at Loomer Rd this evening.I even bumped into the legendary Potters supporter,Vog!

Well if that doesn't liven the thread up nothing will

Beating Glasgow one week and losing to Newcastle the next - Berwick Bandits in a nutshell.

It would be a nice touch if "Falkirk Bandit" got a mention tonight, and even better with a hard fought victory in a spectacular meeting that provides a suitable memorial ! I well remember his weekend ramblings on the forum after a few jars, they would put a smile on anybody's face. Thoughts are with FB's family and friends at this unbelievable difficult time. RIP Falkirk Bandit

Max impressed for sure. He has all the qualities needed to make a success of things . Very disappointing that the track surface was so poorly prepared, and it appears it was deliberately so too. Ricky Wells confirmed in an interview last night, repeated in the local paper report today, that it was how they had asked for it. Problem was, of all 14 riders, only Erik Riss looked truly comfortable on it and even he is quoted on the website as saying that conditions were tough! When you have your biggest crowd, for your best derby match, along with lovely weather, the last thing you should do is prepare a track that proves so difficult to race on. Massive own goal by the promotion.

Without being disrespectful to our guests thus far - it has to be said we are a better team with Stevie in it

I think 5 away is better than 3 at home but I wouldn't use a score in one match to try to prove anything. I appreciate that you haven't had the advantage of seeing Worrall this year but those of us who have could see the marked improvement over his performances at the NSS last year. That coupled with knowing the efforts he has made to be in excellent physical shape and to lighten and improve his machinery is why I feel confident that he would have had a good season. Nobody has predicted he would this year develop into a GP rider, a PL No. 1 or an international star but the signs were there that he would improve significantly on his starting average. That is why it is so difficult to replace him.

And Brady only dropped one point and looked brilliant away in the extraliga. Means nothing though for Wednesday.

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Found a good story about the former German Champ,Hermann Gunzenhauser,whos career started pre-war and ended in 1955.In German and tells of the tragic crash he had with Austrian rival Martin Schneeweiß in Graz https://www.teckbote.de/lokalsport/lokalnachrichten-lokalsport_artikel,-profirennfahrer-in-der-hitlerzeit-_arid,87636.html Also,and this is what got me looking,found some old footage of Gunzenhauser winning a meeting at the old North German Ebstorf dirt track in 1951.Footage of the meeting is right at the end https://www.filmothek.bundesarchiv.de/video/585968?set_lang=de Gunzenhauser was of course a two time winner of the Zlata Prilba in Pardubice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Helmet_of_Pardubice

I visit Devon frequently and the plight of Torquay United obviously gets a great deal of media coverage there. For those who don't follow the lower reaches of football Osborne runs that unfortunate football club which has during most of its existence played in the bottom tier of the Football League. For the first time in its modern history they are on the brink of relegation to their lowest status, National League South, two tiers below their traditional level in the Football Lleague. All kinds of promises have been made which will sound familiar to speedway supporters. There's the purchase or lease of a stadium in a prime development area, the running-down of the venue amidst talk of a shiny new replacement stadium. Recently his business has taken back control of the pub adjoining the ground. The newspaper report refers to Stadia UK's 'record in running leisure facilities'. Funny, to the outsider it would seem their principal activity, rather like the GRA is to groom stadia for highly lucrative redevelopment. One of the promises is to sort out the Gulls' training ground, which apparently is literally bogged down by poor drainage, again a familiar concept to those familiar with the tattier end of the Abbey Stadium car park, once also a planned site for development.The football club itself is supposed to move from residential Plainmoor to a new site further out of town. People are getting a touch suspicious in Torbay. In some ways I'd respect them if Stadia UK came out and admitted that they simply want to redevelop stadia and stop putting up smokescreens. Hopefully Torquay United will prove to be a step too far. Despite their status football matters to communities, and not just the local market and will get noticed well, outside their area in a way that speedway has never been able to. I suspect that serious journalists, and not from the sports desk, will be taking an interest in the business as the situation in Torbay worsens.

Of course it matters if the away team get a point or not,all points count towards getting in the play off positions.The point Poole got at BV could be crucial come the end of the season.A point away from home is a good result.

not too bad for a rider who isnt the rider he once was and has had his day

I agree about the scoring system, it was one of British speedway's best ever ideas which worked really well, then they went and spoilt it by giving the home team three points for any win. Hopefully one day they'll put it back to how it was.

Peter Kildemand was the only rider to pass outside of 1 and 2 on the first laps (and even then it was only in the first heat after grading and track staff pulling all they could onto the outside line). If 13 out of 14 riders can't pass, then there is definitely something up with the track. The live updates are definitely misleading. That's not to say that Swindon wouldn't have hammered us either way, they were the riders to beat, in particular Nick Morris and Troy Batchelor were very fierce and the Swindon lot were gating like champs, but to pretend that the track was decent and Poole just couldn't get to grips with it is fantasy. There was 1 line and the gaters had first dibs on it. The Poole riders were all over the track looking for grip, but any slight deviation from inside-middle to middle line were huge "no mans land" speed scrubbers. I'd rather lose every meeting and have unpredictable heats, than 52 and a half laps of follow the leader every meeting.

We will never know what Vaculik would have produced unfortunately. Although a GP rider, how committed to the UK would he have been in terms of bike priorities for this country? (I think that there will be a few people looking closely at the current World Champion's UK performances this season). My impression is that the management want to make a real go of it this season and today's changes are positive. Sorry to see that MPT has to make way (loved watching Toffy at BP), but we do need an established No.1. Past seasons have shown that so called great signings with no UK experience have not delivered and either jump, get injured or are pushed back to where they came from. If KB has a season like last year, I do not honestly think that MV would have performed better. With the current race format, it seems that, providing a team is no more than 6 points adrift by Heat 13, you are in with a shout regarding match points if you have some clout with your top two riders. The Lions have fallen away many times at this stage of a meeting in recent times (sorry DK but you seem to bottle it in Heat 15). Kenneth and Hans in 2 out of the last 3 races would seem to be a match for anyone in this league. I hope the situation regarding Josh Bates is correct, in that team re-shaping is not based around his average when he becomes fit/available and that family connections are put to one side. Nothing against Josh, but if he is in the seven, it has to be on merit.

Quite agree, as some folks don't have the time that others think everyone else has. There are two threads on Ivan Mauger, but has anybody been hurt by this rule breaking ? Some folks need to grow up and get on with their lives.

Personally I think it's wrong/unfair that swindon are allowed to race Thursdays. If anything happens to any of the riders (hope it doesnt) and they need to have a guest they will have a bigger pool of riders to choose from unlike the rest who are limited because of set nights. Tnoughts

we bounce back, always do

Yep

Craig Cook?

No good to us though is it. Needs to be riding like that when wearing a Poole race bib.

He'll bring it over here, don't worry yourself too much.

What a good night for watching speedway .............................

The VERY best opposing rider ive ever seen around AE was Ward

Nothing wrong with the Lakeside track, riders just need to learn to adapt better, not every track should be fast flat out racing. Watching Mark Loram wind it on on the big Polish tracks and Peterborough and Exeter but then also proving to be a master of Eastbourne and Arena shows riders can adapt

Don't think so!!!

Heat 15 points count towards the averages but when the averages are calculated, the total of points are divided by the number of rides & multiplied by 4 to determine the average.

55-35 to Berwick if they have same level of performance as last week plus bonus of having Jye back.

To be fair give him the equipment and he will sort it.

Edinburgh are trying to fill their next free date 18th May but nobody seems to want to fill it. About time the rules were sorted out, forcing teams involved in a rain off to fill the next available date.

Puting aside my allegiances. Having invested time and effort, via Social Media, etc, to bring newbies to the sport I cannot understand why there was no effort made to rectify the obvious issue with bend 1 and 2. For a neutral, or unfortunately any newbies, that was a detrimental advert for our sport.

Sneaking into a hotel illegally, and jumping on after your mate with a female not fit to defend herself, is alright in your eyes is it. Specsavers for you then. Some of us have higher, or just have, some morals unlike some.

Not around for late afternoon/evening- big greyhound meeting at Towcester I`m going to. hopefully you tube streams around today Gdansk v Lublin will be here( I use Mozilla firefox) http://v4.ustreamix.com/stream.php?id=eleven-sports-3-polska

My view as a supporter on this is most riders will race for the victory in ht 15 regardless of the score.When Lynn race i first look at when they have claimed the victory and then i want them to go on and deny the away team any points at all.Rye House found this out to their cost last season by not getting enough points away. I don't get what you mean by trying to explain the 46 points to win a match.I'm sure 99% of the time you do. And for what it's worth i prefer the old scoring system.

It's not just about riders trying, it's about the significance of the race for supporters in terms of how important it is. The frustrating thing is that the 2 points for a win of 6 or less was dropped because, apparently, it meant fans were disappounted if they dropped a point. Surely that was the whole point of it and why it worked. For me, if the match is won, I would be more than happy to see a rider who needs to bring his average down come out in heat 15 and throw in a nice, handy last place. Jason Doyle himself tweeted last year that it looked like he had ridden himself out of a job, which almost proved to be the case until Somerset picked him up. And I'm not even going to try to explain the "46 points to win a match but the average is 42.5" logic. It's been done to death on here.

Believe it or not it does.

With respect, liveupdates gave a slightly different tone - don't get me wrong Gavan is a pillock of the highest order but updates didn't read exactly as you say. Anyway. Cheers

I must have been at a different meeting to everyone fawning how good the racing was. For me ,much was from the gate and over by bend 2. From heat 11, Scorpions self destructed and hugely disappointed so much so I was on the Parkway by the time heat 15 started .

Clean Cut Sports, who video at a number of tracks, submitted the video and the BSPA decide whether to show it on their website. I have just looked back at the videos on the Speedway GB website last year and this is the first one I found from a Belle Vue meeting. A 4-2 to Leicester.

Was the tide out?

Have you checked Hougaard's 2017 average? 6.09. Inferior to Stevie. Case rested.

The shale going on a Poole is proper stuff not cheap rubbish. Its a speedway blend to our specification . The other 10% is limestone 6mm to dust. Glyn

That is what it say's in the forum guidelines!! DOn't like 'em,join a forum that fit your requirements or start your own........

I did.Nothing new apart from she was on Telly talking about the incident.Could have just been added to the previous thread on the subject,although it seemed to me he didn’t search to see if one existed

COULD be called the Ivan Mauger stadium. That might swing a few votes...

1968/ 75 i would say those eight seasons were his peak years Ivan was a absolute superstar his level and consistency was amazing .But we often forget how good a team man Ivan was was brilliant after Belle Vue with his Exeter and Hull teams and was very unlucky with Hull when they nearly won the league. 1972 ( with the greatest side ever Belle Vue ) and his Exeter career was my favourite period as a rider remember him in his classy white leathers he looked twenty years ahead of his time a real ICON of our sport.

it could be even longer if the next meeting is rained or cancelled . 5/6 weeks ?