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This is a very complicated issue (administration); however the Bond paid by clubs is an issue in itself; and in this instance will have been around £10k due to the club having assets that potentially could be set against any loss (by being sold off), however the asset system is flawed, and the club bond was due to rise again in 2019. (maybe due to depreciating assets but I don't honestly know) Now I will happily stand corrected but someone from Lakeside could possibly enlighten us; however I am led to believe that the Lakeside promotion were asked for a £50k Bond in their last season which raised a few eyebrows at the time and when Lakeside closed the Bond did not cover what was owed by the promotion and the BSPA went back for more and were told where to go, now that is a very abridged version of what happened to the Bond in that instance but it does indicate that the Bond offers very little protection and when there are losses and debts wracked up in excess of £100k a 10k or 50k bond doesn't go very far. The business plan; which has been discussed on here in the past; was set out at the start of the season and was fit for purpose, unfortunately or fortunately which ever way you wish to look at things; due to the success of the team; which far exceeded everyone's expectations; just blew the budget apart and where the management failing was IMHO; is that there was not the contingency plan in place to finance a successful team; which may seem ironic as you are in it to win it but the team was never built to be treble winners, however the whole thing gained a momentum which was unstoppable and the cost of that success was never budgeted for... Quite correct the Administrators get their slice of any available cash first; and from experience I can share that our company were hit by the ROK PLC collapse in November 2010 and we were owed some £292k and had to pay £51k of VAT (reclaimed back after 6 month as "Bad Debt") and through consequential losses like having to pay our sub contractors and suppliers we lost another £220k so the impact to this business was in excess of £500k. Now guess how much we got back off those nice people at Price Waterhouse Cooper this February 2019, and yes 2019 that's nearly eight and a half years later, any guesses? £847:68 pence, yep we were awarded something like 0.003 pence for every pound owed and had to be thankful for it... best laugh was PWC bumped us of approximately six quid because they "got their sums wrong" but it would have cost £30 quid to query the error... Correct SS however possibly I would suggest a poor choice of words in "just rewards" as it has cost her an awful lot just to win that treble... but I understand your sentiment.. If the "Non Die Hard Fans" the people who now bemoan the loss of the team/club had of supported the club at home more regularly it may have been a different story now. If the clowns (the so called fans of speedway) who derided not just this promotion but the previous promotions on this site and on the unofficial forum had half a brain cell to recognised the damage they were doing to the club with constant negative posts; maybe if they had been a bit more positive and supportive the thing might still be there/here... When one poor quality cup of tea rumbled on the two forums for nearly 10 weeks into the season absolutely crippling the turnover of the Blue and White Cafe impacting club profits; well... its clowns like that who should look closely at themselves as they have contributed substantially to the demise of the club... which includes the balloon who started this thread and his little gang of "Bum Chums" it absolutely boils my bladder... I got a bad cup of tea and I am very important and demand quality as I am paying to get in and it is awful that the tea wasn't nice and it is a fundamental right that I get a quality cup of tea that I have paid for... Honestly get over it take it back to where you got it from and say "here get this changed or give me my money back" not save it for posterity and moan about it on every platform possible you can... I was fully expecting to see something on the front page of the Times and Star or the local news "crap tea at Derwent Park someone should be flogged" and here's me thinking Monica Lewinsky was sad keeping a dress for nearly 10 year covered in Pineapple (Allegedly) A sport like this and a club like Worky needs a solid fan base... it needs the fans to pull together and get involved and if that is just buying 50/50 or raffle tickets or supporting events put on by the club so be it... but the thing has to make money to run and everyone is aware of the financial constraints. All Keith Denham wanted was to cover his losses, he was happy to put 5 to 10 grand of his own (personal not Armstrongs) cash in to run the Speedway but when the losses started to rise to the £20/30k levels he asked for support, he wanted 100 more people through the door, and what happened? he was absolutely slated off the Worky Troll brigade on both forums... they were instrumental in him walking away; their abuse of a genuine fan of Speedway... I consider myself a "Die Hard Fan" and as someone who sponsored the Comets over 5 seasons and increased my financial input each year until I done a double year sponsorship deal in the last two seasons I am personally devastated at the loss of the club but until the "Clowns" realise; the trolls; who slate or put down the club at every opportunity, until they realise you cant kick a horse down a street then expect to get onto it and ride off into the sunset... it wont happen... "Clowns to the left and jenga to the right" "Trolls stuck in the middle with you!" I hope it does come back and I will support it with cash and all I would ask is "if it does come back can the knob heads who took every opportunity to deride; slag off and generally shaft the previous promotions to either get with the programme and support whatever the new owners are trying to achieved or if it gives you the hump that much just stay away" Whilst I have been doing war and peace this has landed in; and well said; also from one die hard fan to another "never say never" it wont come back to DP that's gone for sure but there is a good guy locally giving it a real go to bring something back; I just hope I live long enough to see it... LOL Soupy got there before me Correct and well said Rant (for now) over Regards THJ

They gave us 4 seasons when no one else wanted too we should not forget at what it has cost laura she deserves some respect for that, the people who ruined the comets are the ones who stopped going each sat night !

Don't disagree but there is a right way and a wrong way to raise an issue and you deal face to face... Complaints can be resolved amicably without all the drama... what you don't do is take up a mission on forums to denigrate a whole product or promotion over a cup of tea, making the issue personal on a forum visited by many people is just totally wrong and not giving anyone the opportunity to put the issue right in the first place is gutless and totally out of order as well... it only takes one turd in a swimming pool to put people off and the taint can spread exponentially and look at the size of the pool... its not the first time I have had a duff pint at Brough Park and took it back to the bar and said "summat up with that" and the guys there have been fantastic and changed it straight away without any drama; or my other pet hate a short pull on a pint especially when it would be cheaper to drink Petrol than the beer on sale and look at how hard petrol is to obtain (the other is basically chemicals and water mixed in a bath) Gallon of Petrol £5:86 Gallon of Larger at Brough £29:60 (and I do in two gallon per meeting at least) But what I don't do is come on here and "Bitch and Wine" on how bad it was; Oh I got a short measure; what a bad pint; it was the promotions fault; or it was the biggest travesty since Maradona's "hand of god" goal... it can happen anywhere at any time... All that public bitching and moaning only had to put off half a dozen locals from buying food or one away fan from travelling and the loss it there, and if the away fan is the driver that becomes 4 at £15 quid there's 60 quid for a start and in a sport that is starved of cash its the thin end of the wedge... and the product we are talking about here is the supplementary product not the main event which is the Speedway; and rest assured no one can complain about the product on the track at Worky in their last season because I had been going for the previous 9 years and it was the best it had ever been in 2018, and I defy anyone to say otherwise... So if "the fall in attendances was linked to the product on offer" it certainly wasn't the Speedway that is for sure and which Clown in their right mind highlights the negatives of a product when they know the issues surrounding the product, its like they didn't want the place to succeed; they wanted it to fail; they had/have an ulterior motive... or they are just ignorant and stupid... Oh hang on there's a few of them that fit I would say thinking about it... Regards THJ

Yet another season has drawn to a close, and once again Crazy Sue and her intrepid texters and updaters have come up trumps again. So thanks Sue and your wonderful gang for providing such a brilliant service, we'd be lost with out you, hopefully more of the same again next year You really are appreciated

You can refuse entry without an explanation and tell them politely,You do not have to give any reasoning either.

Bet Garry has exhausted all contacts to get a team together. One thing I do know he will not bankrupt the club over rider demands.

You serious? Think he proved in Poland and Sweden he is still a superstar number 1. In the Premiership he will be 2nd to Doyle.

I reckon it was 6 seasons Geoff . I seem to remember that Laura initially took it on for 2 seasons with an option to extend. I think 5 years was the original quoted max . It was the treble winning sixth season that got Laura her just rewards and brought success for the diehard fans, it was just really sad that it was at such a financial cost.

Very well said THJ. Too many(usual culprits) seem to look for negative threads so they can jump in for another moan, giving all the things that the promotions should do cos they say so. Generally on here they admit they don't go, and it's year since they were at a meeting. These are the sort of people who are 'dropping the turd in the pool" to quote your example in a following post.. I assume it makes them big in their little world (I told them) but it does poison the atmosphere and only encourages others to drag up their favourite gripe even though they haven't been for years and "wouldn't go back enen if they gave me a free season ticket - Moxey". if you have a problem, deal with it with the person responsible and it's likely you will get some action. Instead it's moan, moan, moan.

Ruined it so much they gave hundreds of thousands of pounds to do their best. Your disgust should be aimed at the insolvency laws unfortunately businesses cannot pick and choose who gets paid once insolvent there is a strict legal pecking order.

When you say production do you mean company to produce the coverage for Eurosport or OB provider ? If it’s the latter I am not at all surprised as they have such a bad reputation of trying to get OB facilities on the cheap and then being slow to pay the bills. As I have previously said Eurosport are best to just operating on the basis of taking world feeds and then broadcasting them like they do with Cycling,Tennis and Snooker. When they are the host broadcaster they have a poor track record a recent Darts event is a prime example outbid BT sport to an event and it went from UHD 9 camera production in 2018 to a 3 camera basic HD with no slo mo as simply wouldn’t pay the required fees in 2019. Skidder- Do we really want coverage like we had for Skybet a few years ago ? To attract and keep sponsors it needs to look good and be well produced

Not saying there isn't a right or wrong way of doing things, but by folk saying it's the stay away customers isn't right either. If you have a shop and people stop coming in, eventually the shop will shut. I don't think you can stop folk from moaning/complaining especially in today's society, but it's a 2 way street. If you fail to see failings in a business its likely to go t!ts up. I don't accept 'jenga's dodgy cuppa' as what's behind speedways failings, it may not help, but surely it's not the straw that broke the camels back.

Why did they stop going though? Probably best to ask that question before blaming people who used to go.

Just loved that rant THJ, spoken with the passion of a man who loved the club and backed it every which way he could. More guys like you fella and we would indeed still be running. I too look forward to the day it returns and indeed hope I live long enough to see it .

It wasn't either when Coventry were going through their problems but it didn't stop some Poole supporters - hey ho!

They gave us the best, most exciting, finish ever to a season.....e.g. The Glasgow all in a day drama, the massive cup recovery v the Monarchs, the Scunthorpe and Lakeside victories - all unforgettable........brilliant speedway. As said on here earlier it was those Saturday stay-aways who eventually did the major damage. I think you are correct though in that "it will never return"...I don't envisage the newly laid Derwent Park pitch being ripped up again to accomodate a speedway track...sadly not.

There are many threads saying that Speedway in this country is on a down hill slide. I would view the destruction of the NDL as the biggest threat to its continued existence in a form that means rebuilding is possible. You have to have the lower level leagues if you are ever going to be able improve what is above.

Swindon should be able to keep their side together if they want and the rest should be able to then build up to that level, how longer can the product keep being watered down? ,

Josh Auty testimonial on 22/03/2020 at Scunthorpe so I guess that confirms him as a Scorpion.

he was a pretty steady no1 at Eastbourne tbh, sums him up steady, unspectacular but loyal

So do I, as Newcastle speedway has always been a favourite place to visit for me over the years.

Just a response to a tool from Poole who knows fine well where Steve is going and is just trying to stir the brown stuff... Gloaters Paradise... On the rest of it I don't have any inside craic whatsoever unfortunately... only heard the gossip that is doing the rounds... however I just have a feeling in my water as the saying goes that things are not boding well Let's hope it's a water infection and I'm worrying for nowt... Regards THJ

When Poole claimed to be the Manchester United of Speedway they were only about 10 miles out. It turns out that the skint Pirates are the Bury FC of Speedway.

If Newcastle speedway is about to be under new ownership for 2020 then i hope George English and the English family get the credit they deserve for their time and efforts over the years.

I like all of the current BT team. Yes, Tatum and Pearson can be a bit shouty at times but better that than the dull level commentary I hear elsewhere. I think that Natalie Quirke and Scott Nicholls add knowledgeable pre and post meeting comments and analysis of the races. My only suggestion would be to add a second ex or current rider to the studio presentation who might give alternative opinions. I don't watch other sports so have only seen the speedway events Eurosport has shown. I am pleased that there is a 5 year deal, I hope that there is a decent amount of money being paid and other than that, have an open mind and will wait and see the coverage before forming any opinions.

No it was one of a multitude of malicious and wilful actions that were a reletless onslaught on the Denham and Morgan tenures at Derwent Park... he was a one man wrecking crew who made wildly over the top comments and statements that were very personal and wholly untrue and I know he came close on several occasions of being not only banned from the stadium but being prosecuted for libel and slander... he should count himself lucky and shut his hole because if he had of been outed soonet than he was he had some very wealthy people gunning for him who would have taken great pleasure in dragging him through the legal system... unfortunately you don't know the history and you are trying to defend the indefensible the man is a malignant tumour on the bottom of humanity and if you want the "low down" send me a PM but the misanthropic miscreant has had enough air time of me on here and as his life twin Forest Gump was heard to say "that's all I have to say on that"... Regards THJ

I've always held the opinion that Speedway is a sort of novelty sport. In that I mean when a team debuts at it's own track a large crowd assembles. Many folk are interested in the actual racing, BUT another, large, percentage are only there to see thrills, SPILLS, and excitement...The match score being a secondary factor to those types. And they are unfortunately the fans who get bored quickly and lose interest thereby becoming ex fans....so that opening night figure of thousands dilutes to the hardcore support. When Ian Thomas, Stoney, Brent and co. revitalised the sport at Derwent Park in 1999 that opening crowd of, reportedly, 4,500 gradually receded over a couple of seasons to (reportedly) 1,200.....even with that figure Ian Thomas kept saying "the honeymoon at Workington is not over".......but in reality we could see the crowds dwindle. And in my own mind I had alarm bells ringing, don't think I was alone with that dark clouded view. Then sadly when there were/was crowd(s), of just *390 ( *quoted to me by the then announcer, a friend and soccer foe lol) then obviously all was not well, and the struggle was certainly so difficult for the promoters....however I still believe, that as indeed was proven by packed Grandstands in October 2018, that speedway deserves another chance at Workington.. .............hopefully our forum friend THJ is spot on regarding someone working toward this next new beginning. BELIEVE>>>>>>>>>

Why don't you go and do one

Who did and have the authorities caught them yet?

Polish clubs run whenever it suits them no.matter what may have been agreed previously!!

Tom gained his average for Redcar riding at No. 2. (Damn, beaten to it!)

I DON'T have an answer to that. Much might depend on the weather on the day. However, I am firmly in favour of British speedway having TV exposure given the number of opportunities it provides for the promoters either individually or more preferably as a unit. Whether they avail themselves of it is a different matter.

THE negotiations for a new TV contract were led by Belle Vue promoter Adrian Smith, who will shortly feature in an interview with Speedway Star about how the new deal came about and was concluded. All sorts of rumours abound, including a staging fee of £10,000, with the rest of the total sum going into a BSPA 'pot' to be distributed. Who will handle the actual production on behalf of Eurosport (Discovery) has yet to be determined to the best my knowledge although one heavyweight contender has withdrawn

Forgetting injuries i would have Bacon over Shanes in a heartbeat. Yes there might be the wide riding entertainment factor from Shanes but in Tom Bacon there is a rider who is incredibly well polished and professional and knows how to win.

Water infection lol is it not lager infestation

Because Nicolai was on a 2 year deal this was why the question was asked. Rumours were going around that we may step down and Nic wanted clarity, at the time he was told we would be staying up. I think there were still discussions to be had between Danny & Matt. Let’s not forget the final decision is Matt’s as the owner. Sadly Nic is a big loss and his new Premiership team are very lucky to have him.

From what i am aware the major supplier of silencers across the UK are all marked and marketed as 2015 KING silencer. Even purchasing one this season will see it stamped 2015 so are you saying that everyone is being slightly tucked up and after the 2020 everyone will need to replace everything they own?

we were always dabbed the man u of speedway a few years back not by the club though

Would be happy with Pedersen if it were to be true :-)

They are definitely not a Poole fan! Wolves I think. I think the other fans are already missing Poole as they keep gravitating towards our thread on CL section! Edit - tbh I get the feeling Klindt is a bit annoyed as they didn't give him a heads up as he questioned it when there were rumours but was told not moving down (I gather this was before the season finished).

Shock horror! I can remember Gary May sponsoring Bjarne Pedersen back in his Poole glory years, with all this talk of a U.K. return/farewell season lets hope it's not for the Rebels! Full respect for his professional attitude, but not a rider to suit the renowned Oaktree racers track. Message to Gary May: For 2020 can we please have a team of racers that love the Oaktree track & hopefully have past or current connections with the Rebels. Anders is a good starting point, Nathan would also be a good move!

Of course. We like our away wins.

I sure miss Workington when I used to travel over. It's great to see Worky fans over at Redcar and Newcastle to get their Speedway fix even though it's not the same as watching from Derwent Park. I can live in hope that the Euro Millions comes through

Congratulations to Dan who today, in his first ever meeting in Australia, won the Jack Young Trophy. Kyle Bickley was third.

Whatever the team average they decide it wouldn’t put me off having Doyley signed & sealed. I certainly don’t want him going to another club as Swindon win leagues with him in the team.

Lasse needs to dump his dad as engine tuner. At least six, that I know of, engine blowups on the stand before the match even starts says a lot. Kenneth Bjerre took a different route this year and had one of his best seasons in years.

Would depend what sort of team they put out there’s loads of northern based riders plus a few locals put a winning team together and fans will come

I think too much is read into who actually provides the coverage and more should be considered about what they actually get to show.. Sky, BT, and Eurosport are not 'Speedway's saviours', they are just TV companies showing the sport.. Their production capability might add weight to the racing or it might not, however.. If the racing isn't up to any great entertainment standard (as we sadly see most weeks in the UK meetings), then it doesn't matter who shows it nor how great their presentation and production skills are.. If what you are watching doesn't maintain your interest, then it doesnt matter if it's 'free to air' or not, and that can never be a positive for the sport. In fact it could work very much the other way and disconnect any potential new fans, or ex fans who may think about returning, completely.. Doesn't matter who shows the sport if it doesn't deliver on the track...

Oh no not Sam..........

I think you'll find they need the sales to grasstrack and overseas supporters. Small price to pay for the survival of a magazine that, let's be honest, was dumped by a major publisher (IPC) and had to be rescued by the brave efforts and financial risk of its own editorial staff. With the sport collapsing in Britain they needed to do anything to prop sales up.