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I think its great that theres even one nation left where the team manager has some authority and balls to try and kerp the riders in line.

TV director wants shooting.

I agree, this system is no good. As the meeting goes through the 20 programed heats you knew exactly who had scored what points last year. And every race counted. No opportunity for testing. Under the new system count back can matter, fans have to back track and you have to check how many points each position gets. I am not a fan.

As some one in sport once said " you cannot be serious". Bomber Harris has long had his day and is far away from international level. Any Youngster in with Lambert & Bewley.

Maybe your next username could be DaveJessupfan?

Nicki P does the job for me. The switch worked out well for the extra value. Always helps when they score exactly on the points bets. Well done all.

Tarasenko

Why is Kemp and Palin picked ahead of Rowe? He did ok in Poland this year and Palin only really has NL experience so far.....faces fitting more?

THIS continually sniping at Terry Russell is unworthy as without him there would have been no Sky deal in the first place. Anyone who does all the negotiating and brings in money is entitled to a cut. Many years ago a certain Michael Allison brought in considerable sponsorship for individual speedway events including the Wills Internationale. Do you think he did that for nothing. For the record Terry was not involved with the Eurosport deal for British speedway which should have started this year.

Not really sure how to title this one! What I mean is what examples are there of meetings between two sides on the same track in the same season which have produced hugely opposite results. It came to mind when chatting to my Dad at the weekend, the conversation always turns to speedway and meetings we attended. He remembered from 1977 Belle Vue v Ipswich, KO Cup in early summer ending 59-19 to BV. The league match in September ended 26-52 (PC wasn't riding). Not quite so big a swing, the same two sides in 1984 league 55-23 to BV, six weeks later in the Cup Final 33-45 to Ipswich. So a 40 point loss turned into a 26 point win. Are there any better?

Actually, they are not interchangeable, Bob. People have always done that, but it's just more prevalent now. It's based on how people interpret words when they hear the contractions "would've", "could've", and "should've". They interpret it as "could OF" etc. Think about the usage, based on questions and answers: Q - Have you done what I asked? A - Sorry, I should have (should've). It's a direct response. The question "OF you done what I asked" doesn't make any sense. It's the same these days with people not understanding the difference between "then" and "than"; the two have totally different meanings, and are not interchangeable. Referring to the second part of your comment, there were lots of words not in common usage when you left the UK, that are now! "Bottle" is one that still means nothing to North Americans, as a "bottle job" to them means you've coloured your hair!

Quite fortunate tonight. My account only lets me bet smallish amounts before the meeting goes inplay, so it was only a small loss on Pedersen under 10. Anyone else have this issue with their account? Thankfully when they brought it inplay the points total was under 10.5.

Good race between Pedersen and Fricke.

As I see it every point counts in this seasons new system. The more points you get in heats 1-20 give you a better choice of gate in the semis. If you 5 ride points get you into semi1 then the better chance of first pick of gates for the final. Not much wrong with the point system this year, but there was not much wrong with the point system last year.

Track staff done excellent job tonight. Bit of a contrast with the problems at Częstochowa this year Some of the camera work been a bit odd though

Aye ya reet ruff

Cashed out on Bjerre after seeing the state of the track. He usually doesn’t like a speedway track unless it’s a billiard table so bailing on that one. Pedersen under 10 now is where the money is at I reckon!

Dunno how they would've done, but was really looking forward to see what they could have done. Hopefully these covid restrictions are kicked into touch for next year, but a won't be holding me breath. It was good to see Rob Lambert pick up the Euro Title this year, but its gonna be a big challenge to see if everyman and his dog can evolve into the new normal?

Sportkanalen and cmore.se/sport

Surprised at Australia's picks mind - Can't believe Holder isn't in above both Fricke and Tungate.

People calling the Polish side a disgrace haven't seen any Polish speedway this year. On recent form even if every rider was available it'd be a toss up between Janowski and Wozniak to partner Zmarzlik. Wozniak finished 3rd in the Polish Championship behind the other two, in brilliant league form and completely deserves his chance in the SON. With Kubera, one of the world's best U21 riders too, theyve got every chance of winning.

I did read an article the other day, that showed all of the crowd increases at non league clubs this season. It's a shame this increase in support doesn't encourage some clubs to return to printing their own programmes. I do download and print my own using Microsoft publisher, but i prefer the real thing.

The second one of Tai or Lambert is ruled out we have no chance of winning. Glad we’ve given riders who can use the experience a chance rather than Cook or Bomber who will be outclassed anyway.

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I've done the same - plus Bjerre exactly and over 10 from 6 rides (potentially 7)

1929: Jack Parker (Coventry - Southern League) 10.76, Arthur Jervis (Manchester White City - Northern League) 10.00. 1930: Ginger Lees (Liverpool - Northern) 10.89, Vic Huxley (Harringay - Southern) 10.55. (Jack Parker, Coventry, 10.34). 1931: Eric Langton (Belle Vue - Northern) 11.28, Dick Case (Wimbledon - Southern) 10.14. (Jack Parker, Southampton, 10.02). 1932: Dick Case (Wimbledon - National League) 10.42. (Jack Parker, Clapton, 8.80 - Southampton team moved to Clapton).

I made the point before, where scoring should be 4 3 2 1 in the semi finals, to rewards the 4th placed rider for at least making the semis. In the final then points should be doubled to be 8 6 4 2. Again, rewarding the 4th placed rider for making the final but heavily rewarding the eventual winner. Similar to a few years ago where they had double points in the final. Every points scored in every heat then counts towards your total, with a maximum of 27 points on offer at each round. I haven't bothered working it out but would be interesting to see how that would of effected this years standings.

I’m not losing interest ,but for the last couple of seasons I have started to have a”take or leave it “attitude towards the sport, due to various aspects( which have been well discussed on this forum).No Speedway this season that has probably not helped the situation.Have enjoyed watching Polish Speedway though,but It doesn’t beat watching live,it saves a lot of money though!!

on Indianerna website there's this squads Masarna: 1) Antonio Lindbäck, 2) David Bellego, 3) Kim Nilsson, 4) Przemyslaw Pawlicki, 5) Nicki Pedersen, 6) Vadim Tarasenko, 7) Philip Hellström Bängs. Indians: 1) Kenneth Bjerre, 2) Niels-Kristian Iversen (riders replacement), 3) Pontus Aspgren, 4) Max Fricke, 5) Jonas Jeppesen, 6) Joel Andersson, 7) Jonathan Grahn.

Just out of interest, after mentioning Peter Jackson's averages on another thread, I thought I'd just take a look at who topped the averages in the pre-War years (1933-1939). 1933: Jack Parker 10.33, 1934: Vic Huxley: 10.31, 1935: Bluey Wilkinson 10.57, 1936: Jack Parker 10.27, 1937: Jack Milne 11.09, 1938: Jack Milne 10.96, 1939: Cordy Milne 11.50 (The 1939 season was unfinished of course).

Why is all the discussion about tv deals. From what I understand this announcement was that Eurosport EVENTS have taking over the running and promoting of SGP/SoN etc from BSI in 2022. I presume Eurosport will take over the tv deal aswell eventually but that is secondary and the big debate should be how Eurosport Events will promote these series in future.

What did Bill Shankly say, football is more in important than life or death. It certainly seems that way at premier league level. Grassroots football is a totally different sport. Very relaxed, without the win at all costs attitude of the professional game. It's been great for me, in these uncertain times.

HE did not and will not personally get a cut from Eurosport deal although, of course, Swindon like any other Elite League club will.

I second that!

I hate this fixation with Football all the time, I see TalkSport are running somekind of #LetFansIn campaign but they just keep banging on about Football... I'll sign the petition anyway for what it's worth

Not quite like that, but one that still annoys me to this day... 1985 was our first year in the NL, and we drew Steve Shovlar's mob in the first round of the Cup. We won 40-38 at their place, and in the second leg at Plough Lane, we destroyed them 62-16. When they came back later for the league match, they beat us 41-37 - a result that had a huge impact on our chances of winning the league. So, that was a 50-point swing...

Exactly. I consider Barry Thomas to be the greatest rider ever Tony Rickardsson would be number 1 for me for two reasons. He was a whisker away from winning 5 consecutive world titles, (ok technically he finished 3rd in 2000, but does anybody honestly believe that he wouldn't have won the final if Mark Loram hadn't got the second place he needed in the consolation final?) Secondly for his astonishing performance in the 2005 series. 6 wins, one 2nd and a 3rd from 9 rounds. In league racing however, it's got to be Hans Nielsen. He was just a points machine!

Already signed for Grudziadz for next season

Just a message to anyone at BSI towers. Have you seen the weather we are currently getting in the UK this October. Rain, wind , storms , single digit temperatures. At this time of year speedway tracks that are wet never dry out, the temperature does not allow it. By having an October SON at Belle Vue you risk having a mud bath at one of the sports great circuits. Please have a rethink and select a more favorable date earlier in the year.

I do think when you are a supporter of a certain rider you could be blinkered , most of us are very guilty of that myself included more than anyone. My point is Falcace gave us all a great post he said some of us would consider, Rickardsson,Crump, Pedersen, Hancock in the top fifteen riders of all time.Myself personally only Ricko, Crump, would be considered in a top 10 after that all up to conjecture not that they were not good anough but over a test of time there are loads of great riders to consider.

Or maybe you have, hard luck Dave.

A few on here would do well to remember that... Overall, there were a couple of cracking meetings, and a couple of good ones, plus perhaps the best race of all time (Heat 2 on Saturday), and plenty of other fantastic ones, and the championship not being decided until three heats from the end of the series. I think that is pretty good, myself. Given the circumstances, it was great!

He is class act on a bike,don’t think he goes out of his comfort zone these days but is still at the top end of the sport.Will earn a lot of money in the next few years in a Poland so can see him sticking around the sport.Trouble is injuries can be due to other outside influences.Most of his injuries This season were accidents that were caused by other riders.Glad to see his injuries are not too bad given the horrendous crash at the week end ,could have been a lot worse. Ps. Not his biggest fan, but recognise his ability.

Having watched Speedway from late 1940's, the only thing that makes me lose interest is the contempt with which many promoters (the Peterborough BB situation being an example) seem to treat their customers.

I guess this is a binary opinion. I would say exactly the same about last year's point system. But we're civilised folks, aren't we? We'll agree to disagree

Lovers of the new points system, think on. Had BZ slipped up on Saturday and just missed out on the semis, Tai or Freddie could well have gone on to be WC. However, BZ would still have been the top race points scorer and would still have had the highest race average, by far. Can you imagine the outcry there would have been, not least from the Poles, about such an outcome. The new points system would already, by now, be an historic experiment.

Turning on or off the primary chain oiler.

Not much left after Mr 20% has had his share of the pie

Torquay with the big red bus for a weeks tour with 24 old dears drove past somerset and plymouths stadiums the old dears loved it and everyone had at one time been to derwent park in the past.

Having researched all the 1928 - 30 Adver's held by the Local Studies Dept. at Swindon Central Library - I can confirm there are no images of the Autodrome. All the 1928 meetings are reported, although not all of the riders are named. I don't know if there were any meeting in 1929, if there were, the Adver didn't cover them. The Adver covered a couple of meetings in 1930, when a new promotion took over. The Autodrome was renamed the 'Swindon Speedway Stadium' that year. Again, if there were any other meetings at the track in 1930, then the Adver didn't report on them. I don't know if there were any pics printed in the 'Borough Press' - a Swindon sports paper that ran from 1903 to 1936, but it's possible, as Leslie Newman, who's Father Thomas owned the paper, raced in the first meeting at the Autodrome. (he also raced in local grass tracks and hill climbs, and competed in the 1934, 35, 36 and 37 Isle of Man Senior GPs). Unfortunately I've only ever seen one copy of the Borough Press, a 1927 edition, so it was too early to cover the Autodrome. There must be some images of the place somewhere.