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Wouldn’t expect you to say anything else Lisa, Holder will do no wrong in your eyes. You think this sort of thing doesn’t go on all the time? Don’t be naive of course it does. Not everyone lights the blue touch paper and blabs on social media though. Your lot for instance signed a rider last winter that had already signed for someone else months earlier. It’s business, it happens.

"Gary Newbon is in the pits and your commentator is Dave Lanning..."

Drew Kemp is another example. He recently admitted he was told not to sign for anyone else as he was guaranteed a ride for a club, but then was let down by that club who signed someone else and left him without a ride. He could have named that club, but to his credit he didn’t do that and kept it professional. Holder could learn a thing or two by someone over ten years his junior!

The negative publicity isn’t ideal obviously, but that isn’t the fault of anyone at the club. That’s down to a pi$sed off rider who knew exactly what he was doing by going public which has opened up a can of worms that others have now jumped in on including other riders now sticking the boot in. This kind of thing goes on all the time behind closed doors, loyalty is a two way thing. Sometimes clubs let riders down, sometimes riders let clubs down. It’s business but it should be kept in house.

I have to disagree or at least question what you are saying. True, there might be some question over whether an authority other than the SCB can run 'speedway' events. But even if a track is licenced by the SCB, that should not prevent it running meetings that are not SCB. Secondly, if a meeting at an SCB licenced track is run by NORA, then the rider should not need permission from anyone to compete because he has a right - enshrined in case law - to ride where he chooses without interference. I fail to see how the SCB can be held liable for a meeting that is completely outside their control simply because that meeting is held at a track they have licenced for their events but - crucially - not others. Riders would not be insured by the SCB for such a meeting but NORA has its own insurances that they can purchase. At this stage - I must admit I haven't read the Speedy Star article - I fail to see any ground why a track cannot run both SCB and non SCB meetings and the SCB's actions look to me like nothing more than doing their best to stop an alternative league from developing. I'm certainly not convinced that anything they have come up with is for any other reason, despite the attempts to dress it up as such. As I have said before, attempting to prevent a track using its own facilities or a rider from competing looks very much like a restraint of trade (definition :The principle that an individual should be free to follow his trade and use his skills without undue interference. The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary) to me, because it has the effect of stopping the track or rider accessing a further revenue stream. Within the terms of English case law, that's illegal and other sporting authorities who have tried to do so - darts, cricket, ice skating come to mind - have all been very much put in their place by court rulings.

So far in this thread you’ve suggested: Jensen, Ellis, Harris, Riss, Douglas, Bjerre, MPT, King, Vaculik, Huckenbeck, S Lambert, Wright, Kerr, Batchelor, Kildemand, Schlein, Sedgeman, Fricke, Holder, Berge, Pickering, Allen, Lindback, Zagar, Kemp, Lidsey, Tungate, Nillson, Lahti, Pawlicki, C Cook, Etheridge, Mountain and Nicki Pedersen. (I may have missed a few) If you throw enough darts you’ll hit the bullseye matey. Oh and I agree, you’ll likely find out Thursday.

This thread is full of “I know more than you know” people isn’t it? But won’t actually say what they mean….

On the flip side, turn up with the right mindset to race and not throw a hissy fit and get shown by your little brother how to ride your home track and your employer may show you a little more respect

Hearing the Emil deal has collapsed. Holder to Ipswich is being finalised.

Don't know why Flappy is taking some stick on this thread. He's communicated with fellow fans more than the club itself this winter, Lets face it the club haven't even been communicating with riders let alone fans this winter either (Holder), The only true communication from club to fans this winter has been constant reminders about season tickets being available every week.

Of course he hasn’t. It’s just another dart chucked at the board with the 33 others LOL

Doesn’t he live here?

Why protects clubs/management who treat riders so unprofessionally themselves tho?? If they’re not exposed and held to account by the riders who’s going to? If no one does they’ll carry on just taking michael

So jealous of Ipswich right now enjoy

Last 24 hours. Holder taking revenge on Instagram by spoiling the race suits. Riders taking the p155 out of us on Instagram about how close they were to being in. Polish press reporting on how unprofessional we've been over the Holder situation. Social media backlash on all platforms (Buster needs to explain his version of events just to take the heat off of the club) Frustrated fan base that's reached boiling point.

My concern going forward is it’s made the club look bad regardless, what effects will this have with signing riders in the long term and immediate future… Regardless of the fact we don’t know the full full story it’s painted a sorry picture on Peterborough speedways behalf. It needs addressing quick. Could seriously jeopardize the future with riders thinking why would I bother going there? If MT takes over then will he carry the can for something that a lot of people are saying is Busters fault…

Welcome to the world of being self employed

But you said Lindgren earlier

The funny thing is, fans spent all season moaning about certain teams using guests & not signing a replacement only to complain when Belle Vue do the exact opposite!

noone seems to know if Rob Lyon is still manager either

I read the article in the SS, and Jim Lawrence said they had investigated every way to make it possible for Nora 92 meetings to take place on SCB licensed tracks, one could also turn it around and say they had investigated all ways to stop Nora 92 meetings taking place on SCB licensed tracks, imo the only way that they could find to hinder Nora 92 meetings taking place on SCB tracks was by inventing the red herring of insurance being invalid and under that guise have basically told Kent and Plymouth make your choice SCB or Nora 92 but not both, why choose when their is insurance in place for both organisations?, oh I forgot it's the BSPL dressed up as the SCB trying to dictate again what riders/clubs can and cannot do.

It’s really not. Pedersen is 100 percent panthers number 1

I've said this umpteen times,,, but still some dumb arse mo fo don't get it

It’s been messy all winter tbh. If it wasn’t for fans like Flappy and Gasser putting out info then nobody would’ve had a clue all winter. Busters been selfish by only taking his feelings into consideration as I don’t think Worrall would’ve been in either. Holders spoiled the race suit announcement, riders and fans have been left frustrated all winter. Badly handled all winter and we’re lucky that Nicki P is going save the day which will make a large portion of the fan base turn a blind eye to everything

Not in their best interest really. Clubs might be wary of signing riders who air their dirty laundry in public.

Good looking team that

Also he knows Basso a bit from 2021 season anyway.

IF

This line aged well didn't it lol. “I have a terrific relationship with Buster (Keith Chapman – club owner), Dale (Allitt) and Carl, and I’m sure we will work well as one team building a future for the Peterborough Panthers!

This

I think it's this. 1. Holder agreed to ride under Tomalin's ownership where all parties including Buster expected a takeover to be completed. 2. Expected takeover hasn't happened and won't happen before the season starts. 3. Buster knowing he's going to be here at the start of the season for certain has blocked the deal for Holder and hasn't even bothered to inform him because he straight up doesn't like the bloke after the 2017 shambles. 4. In the end either Michael, Carl or Dale have had to be Busters fall guy to make a phone call to Holder to inform him that he's out, Then Holder's got even by releasing the new race suits on Instagram.

For the opposition.

Surely Peterborough's last 2 won't be Craig Cook and Hans Andersen?

I'm sure he'll be fine

And Doyle will still finish top of the averages

No doubt in my mind that Buster would've been prepared to go with the following 1-7 if a HL wasn't available as well as nobody stepping up to spanner for Tungate. NKI C. Cook Worrall Andersen Basso B. Cook JJ This Chris Holder situation could've backfired drastically and the sad thing is that Buster wouldn't have cared because he would've got his own way by not having to work with Holder.

I'd rather he went.....

Would that really surprise anyone?

This forum hasn't changed over the years lol

Stalker alert. I can happily accept you calling me delusional, keep covering those tracks.

So that's why some people on here are off their heads.... too many lines

There’s no winners in this situation like others have said, but let’s remember who the biggest losers are, the paying fans which I hope a lot don’t forget. A lot seem blinded by it to me, sitting there on Facebook saying Worrall is a fantastic signing, how is he? He’s a journeyman and nothing more. I’ve the upmost respect for what speedway riders do for our entertainment but let’s just be real for a second here with the ‘caliber’ of rider he is. If pedersen is announced it’ll take all the heat out of the situation and everyone will think it’s great. We’ve got Hans Andersen to be announced still with his 6 heat wins from last season or whatever it was, it’s ridiculous. Spouting rubbish like we’ve a great team next year blah blah, have you balls you’ve not even announced this ‘great team’ cuz you don’t bloody know it! Well I say let’s not forget just how much of a balls up this off season has been. The questions need to be asked and they also need answering by the rightful people. Always the fans that are short changed so to speak, it’s a joke!

Most admit I laughed at Rohan's comment of at least you got that far (or words similar).

I am a big fan of Chris Holder, chatted to him at the play off final meeting, my daughter used to a big fan too, probably for different reasons!! I was at that particular meeting at Kings Lynn and if I was a Kings Lynn fan, I would also be appalled and disgusted by their actions that night and I don't blame Buster for being unforgiving especially as all our team didn't seem to have any issues with the track including Jack Holder.

Can't agree with Buster at all here, dropping Holder is fine, that's his prerogative but to only announce it after the transfer window has closed is childish & unprofessional!

i wouldn't be surprised if Ben chose Peterborough thinking Holder was in

Looking at pictures of heeps from Australia this winter he looks like he has piled on even more weight.

I'd actually prefer Scott Nicholls over Hans Andersen if we're keeping a dad's army member

In fairness, I’m not really sure that Rowe exploded onto the scene. Rowe was decent at reserve for Somerset and after a mid season reshuffle got forced into the main body of the side and was decent. I never really saw enough to think Rowe was going to become a top rider like it was expected of Kemp. I think there is something in Rowe to still get to a higher standard but he’s never really going to become World class and probably more of a Worrall standard type rider. Sounds abit harsh but that’s the way I see it. For what it’s worth, I completely agree that it’s a nonsense that if Kemp, Rowe, Thompson etc are ready and available and want a team spot but haven’t because of averages. That should never be allowed to happen. This goes back again to the “rising star” scheme should be a thing in the Championship without question, along with a certain quota of British riders along the same lines as what Poland do.